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B&O Columbian
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B&O Columbian startup. (Sorry the acceleration is a bit too fast!)
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Buenas tardes Santiago,
If we wanted to add nose lettering to the E5A such as Texas Zephyr, do you have an O gauge source?
Thanks for sharing your videos Frank.
Charlie
Man, that 2 rail track certainly looks good...
and the trains are beautiful!
Rob Leese posted:Buenas tardes Santiago,
If we wanted to add nose lettering to the E5A such as Texas Zephyr, do you have an O gauge source?
No clue, Rob. Sorry
When I first read the title of this thread, I thought you'd be talking about this:
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Mark in (wet) Oregon
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Charlie posted:Thanks for sharing your videos Frank.
Charlie
You are most welcome, Charlie.
c.sam posted:Man, that 2 rail track certainly looks good...
and the trains are beautiful!
Thanks, Sam. The Rockford O Scalers put an emphasis on modeling realistic looking scenes and the track is an important part of that.
Simon Winter posted:jonnyspeed postedSo why don't you stop YELLING at me long enough to realize that I am advocating for you. Bet you feel silly now! Or are you just that grouchy? Maybe because your trains have no sound... Studies show (probably) that people who's models have sound are happier with their hobby. LOL J/K
Better go see a Doctor if the printed words are yelling at you, you have problems! As for needing YOU as an advocate, I hope I never get that desperate. Where do you find your studies, Mad Magazine?
Sorry I didn't see your first comments....maybe we are not that far apart, but I still don't need sound!
See ya Speedy
Sparky (aka Simon)
Just so you know Sparky... I mean Simon... When you type in ALL CAPS on the internet, that is commonly known to mean you are yelling or shouting.
I still need sound! But I hope you enjoy your silence too
See ya Sparky
Frank McCabe posted:B&O Columbian startup. (Sorry the acceleration is a bit too fast!)
Beautiful set, even if the sounds aren't exactly spot on accurate. Maybe its the video, but I don't hear 4 12cly 567 prime movers and 4 generators. The colors seem to match the cars fairly well. All in all a really nice diesel by Scott for the price. Each model seems to get better and better.
Frank,
Great shots! Thanks!
What is the radius of the curve in the movies?
Regards,
Ed
Ed Kelly posted:Frank,
Great shots! Thanks!
What is the radius of the curve in the movies?
Regards,
Ed
Hi Ed,
The radius of the Rockford O Scalers inner loops (which are straight DC operation) are 88” (inside) and 92” (outside). Most of the passenger train videos are taken with them running on the outside (92” radius) curves, but either of these double track mainlines will handle any length equipment including locomotives. When laying out the track work, attention was also paid to the track spacing (distance between the center of each track to one another) to preclude any chance of interference on the curves. And spiral easements on the curves were used to improve operating characteristics.
A second set of tracks were built around the “inner” DC layout and they operate exclusively on DCC. They also feature broader radius curves including one that is 132” radius and super elevated as well. Passenger trains can really roll through these curves at scale track speed!
In the pictures below, the B&O Cincinnatian is on the 92” radius and the California Zephyr is on the 132” super elevated radius curves. Our recommendation is to use the broadest radius possible when laying out your track work.
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Here is a video of The Santa Fe “Grand Canyon”, pulled by EMD E-6s, rolling through the 132” curve.
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Sorry, I forgot I had posted the Santa Fe Grand Canyon Video earlier, so here is a video of Santa Fe EMD FTs pulling a reefer block going in the opposite direction.
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Frank,
Thanks for the videos and the information. Your RR is spectacular.
I am 17 years into the building of my RR. I have 72" minimum radius with 4 3/8" separation on these curves with easements and superelevation. I have a few 100" radius curves and a couple around 120". These broader radius curves have 4" o.c. and are eased and super elevated. You are so right. The broader the curve, the better the trains look.
Wishing you continued success.
Regards,
Ed
Thanks for sharing and keeping the thread going, Frank! Spectacular trains, just beautiful!
Ed Kelly posted:Frank,
Thanks for the videos and the information. Your RR is spectacular.
I am 17 years into the building of my RR. I have 72" minimum radius with 4 3/8" separation on these curves with easements and superelevation. I have a few 100" radius curves and a couple around 120". These broader radius curves have 4" o.c. and are eased and super elevated. You are so right. The broader the curve, the better the trains look.
Wishing you continued success.
Regards,
Ed
Thanks for your comments, Ed. It sounds like you have some great track work on your layout. Maybe we should start a new forum post on this subject!
Regards,
Frank
SANTIAGOP23 posted:Thanks for sharing and keeping the thread going, Frank! Spectacular trains, just beautiful!
Thank you Santiago!
Santiago suggested we keep the thread going (even if we are somewhat off the E-6 topic!) so here is another video showing operation on large radius curves.
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What these later posts in this thread emphasize, is pretty basic. The wider that you can make your radii, the better your operation will look. Back a zillion years ago when I first got interested in zero scale, I read (probably in the late "O Scale News 48/ft") that 72 inch minimum radius was the de facto (actual) number that ANY model engine could handle. Simply stated, that meant any loco you might purchase would be able to navigate 72 inch or larger radii. That's a thought that is NOT trotted out often enough these days. Soooooooooooo unless you have a bit over 12 feet of space.............
Simon
Regarding Mr.McCabe's post below, I neglected to say, the LARGER you can go the better!
Thanks Frank!
All our projects are designed to negotiate 48" Radius 2 Rail O Scale
and 072 (36" Radius) 3 Rail Track, with switches and turnouts (S Curve).
And they also traverse 054 (27" Radius), 90 deg simple curves.
Interestingly, when the Rockford O Scalers first formed back in 1973 with the intent to build a modular layout to set up at train shows, all of us were previously in HO Scale.
Not knowing any better, one of our members suggested we simply double the popular HO radius of 30” and 32” for our curved module sections and that’s what we did. However, it didn’t take long to realize that these 60” and 64” curves were not suitable for running mainline passenger trains with 85’ scale cars and large steam locomotives which is what we wanted to do. We could get the passenger cars to run around these curves but they looked toy like doing so but some of the locomotives simply would not negotiate them at all. Consequently, we rebuilt the curve modules using our current 88” and 92” radius.
Obviously, the choice of curvature is predicated on how much space is available and the type of equipment one wishes to run. Simon’s suggestion of 72” radius is probably a good compromise if space for larger radius curves is not possible.
sdmann posted:All our projects are designed to negotiate 48" Radius 2 Rail O Scale
and 072 (36" Radius) 3 Rail Track, with switches and turnouts (S Curve).
And they also traverse 054 (27" Radius), 90 deg simple curves.
That brings rise to 2 questions: How much of the accuracy of the model is sacrificed to make it possible, and how silly does it look going around those sharp turns?
Simon
PS: Note Mr. McCabe's post directly above.
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Santiago;
Beautiful they are, especially after you have done your enhancement magic. And speaking of enhancement, I have had no luck in finding a roof mounted bell that would be suitable for the ATSF E6. Any guidance from folks would be much appreciated.
Allan
Allan E posted:Santiago;
Beautiful they are, especially after you have done your enhancement magic. And speaking of enhancement, I have had no luck in finding a roof mounted bell that would be suitable for the ATSF E6. Any guidance from folks would be much appreciated.
Allan
Allan,
I just picked up the correct bell from Bill Davis last week for John Handlogten’s Santa Fe E-6s. I can furnish the part number tomorrow as I am not currently at the layout. John will probably post pictures of it once he has installed. We think it’s going to look great.
Frank McCabe, The Rockford O Scalers
Great pics as always, Santiago! I don’t believe Scott made the Packard, but that’s a fantastic model too. We have some similar Packards on our layout. As their advertising slogan once said, “Ask the Man Who Owns One”!
Do you think Scott would make this Packard Inspection Car for us? !!!!! 😊
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Santiago,
The picture of the Burlington and Rolls Royce is simply inspired.
Magnify the image and you really can appreciate the composition.
That could be an iconic shot.
jpc posted:Santiago,
The picture of the Burlington and Rolls Royce is simply inspired.
Magnify the image and you really can appreciate the composition.
That could be an iconic shot.
A slight correction: jpc, the car is actually a Packard limousine.
Frank McCabe posted:Allan E posted:Santiago;
Beautiful they are, especially after you have done your enhancement magic. And speaking of enhancement, I have had no luck in finding a roof mounted bell that would be suitable for the ATSF E6. Any guidance from folks would be much appreciated.
Allan
Allan,
I just picked up the correct bell from Bill Davis last week for John Handlogten’s Santa Fe E-6s. I can furnish the part number tomorrow as I am not currently at the layout. John will probably post pictures of it once he has installed. We think it’s going to look great.
Frank McCabe, The Rockford O Scalers
Frank;
Thank you...I would very much appreciate the part # and, for that matter, mounting tips.
Allan
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The bell that I am going to use is 921.3 on Bill Davis's web site. The bell I originally got was way to big (I think it was from PSC). The original bell has mounting pins and I have already drilled holes for the original bell so I will probably try soldering two mounting pins onto the new bell. If that does not work, I will try gluing it on (not sure what adhesive I would use).
John Handlogten
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john handlogten posted:The bell that I am going to use is 921.3 on Bill Davis's web site. The bell I originally got was way to big (I think it was from PSC). The original bell has mounting pins and I have already drilled holes for the original bell so I will probably try soldering two mounting pins onto the new bell. If that does not work, I will try gluing it on (not sure what adhesive I would use).
John Handlogten
John;
The help is much appreciated. I will order one and probably use glue (not sure what type and certainly would benefit from advice.
Allan
My E6s and E5s finally arrive tomorrow! It took Scott and I about 15 minutes in the warehouse to find out where they were on Saturday which is saying something because he doesn't have much inventory.
Got to see the RI Rocket in person. OMG is that a beautiful train. Wants and needs .... wants and needs ... Just what I need another road name I don't model.
On a side note, we reviewed painting diagrams for F3s. If you don't have an order in, be sure to do so soon if they are still open. Correct details for Phase IIA, IIB, III and IV depending on roadname of which there are a lot of!
Rocket? What's that?
SANTIAGOP23 posted:Rocket? What's that?
Not an E6? I'll email you on the other question to keep this thread on topic.