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Perhaps my favorite feature of the recent Vision Big Boy and the recently released Y6b, both from Lionel, is what they have done with the whistles. As an aging audiophile, I am very much interested in how the sound we hear seems realistic or not so realistic. One of the most important features of the sound we hear is the echo/reverberation that would result from the environment in which the recording originated, how it was recorded and then played back. There is also, of course, the frequency range of the sound and the quality of the speakers used to reproduce it. Lionel certainly got it right because comparing the recent Y6b to the JLC version, the whistle has a chilling echo effect that makes it seem, to my ears, the the locomotive is in a hollow and is bearing down on me. More importantly, unless I am mistaken, there is no speaker in the loco of the Y6b edition itself. But it sounds to me like there is a speaker in the loco. That is great stuff.

 

The Vision Big Boy has a similar echo when the whistle is blown, but, of course, a different sounding whistle. With the speaker in the loco itself, we get such realistic chuff sounds, whistle and bell. The next iteration of the Munoz Lines will be built with rock walls or "concrete" retaining walls where I want to blow the whistle. The sound is amplified and bounces all over the room. I do love that.

 

Reproducing and hearing sound is similar to smoking a cigar in that the experience is unique to the user/listener like a cigar is perceived differently because we each have a different tasting experience. Reproducing sound is an art and Lionel is the artist here. I don't run these locos much. Perhaps five minutes every day or so. I just sit there and pound the whistle . . . . . and then I hear the echoes of the past.

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Eliott

You nailed it.  The echo, as well as the better bass response, adds so much to the enjoyment of the sound.  

 

Mike

MTH does have a Doppler effect in their DCS system.  You program into the remote the point on the layout that the Doppler effect transitions.

 

The other item on my "Awesome Sound Wish List" is to sync engine sounds with a fixed under-the-layout subwoofer.  I'd like to feel the room shake when the loco goes by. . . 

Bob

Interesting and well put.... I agree the sound improvements have been given a notch up in the last 4 years at Lionel.

My Legacy Union Pacific H7 has great sound quality and the 765 NKP has really great whistle, coupled with the steam effects, I can almost smell the coal... but prefer the hot chocolate and candy cane scents....

The vision line challengers are fantastic and really enjoy the new cab forward releases... I hope they continue with the unique sound packages for each locomotive.

 

I was highly disappointed in the NYC heavy Mikado and having the same sound as the previously released PRR K4.

 

Seriously, if you like to be able to identify accurate sound, you need a hi quality source, high quality electronics and, most importantly, high quality speakers. If you know what live music sounds like, you then can interpolate how good your speakers are at home. Can you close your eyes and "see" musicians? Then you have great speakers. My ears are no better than any other ears, but my ears have been trained. As a musician and an audiophile, I know good sound in music. Of course, that is very different from good sounding bad music. Yikes !!!

 I take sound seriously. I worked in music myself. I noticed that the crowd would sit quietly and be entertained. Sure the band produced the music. I just delivered it to the crowd. I went out of my way to make sure it sounded like an accurate, live music event. Something larger than just a record. Not overproduced, or too loud to blast you into submission. I was actually told at a few venues to turn it up louder. I was more happy with achieving the right dynamics.

 So now I play with trains. I am intrigued by not only what's being used currently, what's being developed, and most importantly, where we could go.

 Our first grandson was over several years back and noticed immediately that the sound was coming from a stationary source. He looked at the engine and back at the source. He was only two or three and knew something wasn't right.

 Pop up several years later to more recent times and the newer grandkids kept looking at the tender and the engine. I could tell they wondered why the engine was silent.

 We all have different expectations of what a toy train should do. I don't need to be blown out of the room with volume. I love to be wowed by realistic sights and sounds.

 Again I'll state that years ago, I played my MTH Challenger thru my audio system. I was blown away by the digitally accurate sounds and the dynamics.

 I also always enjoyed the dynamic sounds of the HO scale Broadway LTD E8s with QSI years ago. I enjoyed the same in the Atlas gold HO engines. Even my 3rd Rail w/ TMCC sounds good.

 I know that if they move ahead with some future transmission like Bluetooth or such, and the right engineers get involved with the sounds, and creating effects like multi channel listening areas (surround sound), we will be blown away again. I must say that I like where all this modern electronics has taken us so far. Electronically triggered proximity Doppler for one, will be cool to see develop further.

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