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Bought 6-18080 Rio Grande Steam engine new from estate sale. Engine had no evidence of operation, new in box. Put engine on track in TMCC/ Odyessy and after start, engine would labor slowly, then speed up repeating this cycle continuously. Suspected binding and with side rods removed all wheels were free. Lubricated every part and that made no difference.  

Took engine to repair station and tech has a Lionel Test Board with a can motor and lights that allows boards to be tested.  Tested boards and found DCDS board on tester would show can motor surging.  Replaced board. Also, turned can motor flywheel before reassembling engine and there were no mechanical binds. After reassembly engine still has surging.  Put engine into conventional and surges disappeared.  

Tech called Lionel and they couldn't provide any guidance.  Tech is stuck and recommends sending engine to Lionel for identification of problem.

Can anyone provide any troubleshooting steps that may be tried to identify cause of surges that disappear when in Conventional?  I have an identical engine that runs flawlessly.  Running engine in conventional should eliminate mechanical issues as problem, as it runs without surges in conventional. 

Thanks.  Mokemike

PS: New board was tested before installation in engine.

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cjack posted:

How does it regulate speed...can motor flywheel with sensor? Replace any of that?

Can motor with a sensor held on by a magnetic ring. The sensor is not loose and the can motor is secure too. Nothing replaced at that location. I know that on an MTH engine the sensor that reads a tach strip can be too far from the sensor to correctly read it. If that happens, the engine will run at the wrong speed but I've never seen a surge from an improper gap. Just wrong speed.

Thanks for your help and reply.

mokemike

 

 

I would suspect the Odyssey board. However, first double check the connections back to the driver board. 

Next look and see if you can swap the motor and reader out with another locomotive.

Can you confirm the U joint in the drive shaft is not broken or binding?

Check the gear box as well...

Does it perform the same way with TMCC and no Odyssey?

 

 

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Sorry that this reply took so long but I had to wait on parts and my turn getting the tech to do repairs. Just replaced the Odyssey board under the can motor. Checked U joint and gear box although engine is new. Replacing the Odyssey board removed the surge at full speed and had a definite change at 3/4 speed. However, the surge is still present at low speeds but 70% less apparent. 

Can't find cause of low speed surges. Doesn't cause engine sound to change as surge isn't as prevalent as before. The iron ring is secure and never was loose.

low speed surge is present in TMCC and conventional operation. DCDS board was also replaced. No binding in wheels, linkage and tender wheels.

appreciate any further suggestions.

Thank you for your reply.

mokemike

 

 

 

 

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