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I have 22 feet of “old track” – a section of Fastrack still on the layout but disconnected at both ends where I re-routed my main loop – and not yet taken up and replaced with scenery.
It was well used when abandoned, and sat, unused, for four months, and it looked REALLY dirty. What a perfect opportunity to test track cleaning methods, if needed, to destruction.

I took out my voltage testing car. Folks will want to see it (below). Yes, its not pretty, but its effective: a lighted caboose chassis with a digital voltmeter and two 12-watt at 12 volt lights to create a load so I test voltage under a load approximating a loco. The copper sheet is a lampshade so the lights don’t shine in my eyes and make it difficult to read the voltmeter. You can see, its registering 10 volts now.


Anyway, the track is fed at both ends by #10 wire leads (of about 25 - 30 feet length) and I set the transformer (a Z4000) to an indicated 12 volts.
I tested the track under the numbered conditions below of increasingly harsh cleaning, drying and dusting the track thoroughly each time before testing the voltage. I also examined the track surface for damage by the cleaning method with a jeweler’s loop at each stage, and I will comment later on that.
First the voltage tests.
1. Uncleaned track – voltage 5.7 to 7.4 volts. Geeeeezzz! No wonder dirty track is always the first gremlin suspected when there are electrical problems! That is some voltage loss just due to dirt and grime. I would not have believed it if I had not seen it.
2. Isopropyl alcohol on a cleaning pad (denim cut from old pair of jeans) rubbed back and forth several times along the track: 6.7 to 8.5 volts.
3. More of the same, harder: 8.2 to 9.0 volts
4. More of the same, harder still: 8.5 to 9.0 volts
5. More of the same, harder still, much longer: 8.5 to 9.0 (no change)
6. Track cleaning tool (hard rubber or something, bought it at LHS) rubbed back and forth on the track: 8.8 to 9.2 volts
7. Fine steel wool, rubbed up and down the track surface several times, pressing hard: I could see the track surface glean more as I rubbed: 9.6 to 10.3 volts. I should add that if you ever do this it is recommended: a) power down the track first (although the results of steel wool across the track when it is at 12 volts are, ah, interesting), b) then go over the track with a powerful magnet before using it again (I used a 2” 100 lb neodymium magnet): it picks up an amazing amount of tiny metal debris from the steel wool.
8. Number 2000 wet dry sandpaper, dry: 9.8 to 10.3 volts (no change)
9. Number 1000: 9.8 to 10.3 (no change)
10. Number 600: 10.2 to 10.8
11. Number 320: 10.2 to 10.8 (no change)
12. Number 150: 10.2 to 10.8 (no change although the track is obviously scarred and pitted)
13. New track taken from sealed package and looking very shiny. 10.2 to 10.8 (no change).

Okay, so apparently I had a bit more than a volt of drop across the leads to the track and/or in the connections thereto and/or between the wheels and the track surface. Reasonable altogether, I guess.
Anyway, under a jewelers loop, the surface of the new track looks smooth and perfect. By contrast, used track anywhere on my layout, including this three year old section of test track before I started, looked badly scratched up: I conclude that use alone leaves a rough sratched surface under magnification. But nothing until the 320 sandpaper made it scratchier, although the 600 might have made it just a bit worse – couldn’t really tell though.

My conclusion, frankly, is that fine steel wool or around #800 wet dry sandpaper used with discretion might be the nuclear weopon of track cleaning. I intent to use the steel wool and #800 if and when things get bad, but stick to alcohol and the track cleaning eraser otherwise.

anyway, it was a fun afternoon and I learned something: keep the track clean.
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Lee, as you said, the steel wool, even 0000 grade and fine sand paper will scratch the track. Over time, those scratches will fill in with gunk that will interfere with the transfer of Trons to your locomotive and other rolling stock.

My recommendation is to stick to the alcohol and track cleaning eraser on a more frequent schedule to avoid the nuclear option.

I have one of those Lionel track cleaning cars from my youth that I still use, and I'm still amazed at how much gunk gets wiped off on those dental pledgets. I still wonder what Lionel put in those grey bottles that came with the unit, though. I tend to use soapy water, if I use any thing at all.
The main useful conclusions of my tests, in my mind, are:
a) dirty track really inhibits electrical flow - I was astounded by how much.
b) I assume the same can be said for dirty wheels on locos, and intend to clean them more often now.
c) reasonable effort using alcohol is about all that is needed: harder rubbing and longer rubbing does not much more.
d) track cleaning erasers work pretty well

the net result for me is that I'm going to run a track cleaning car once a week, not once a month.
I am also amazed on the gunk that collects on tracks. But the other day I was running my MTH PRR decapod (ERR retrofitted) and it was stalling at a particular place and then eventually operated in a jerky fashion. After several track cleanings it still happened and I decided to look at the loco wheels and pickup rollers. After I cleaned those with denatured alcohol, it was like night and day.
Track cleaning; or 'how to do it an easier way' is something I continually look at. With an outdoor layout, it's the No 1 problem to stop the fun. I find there isn't an occasion when I can make use of the tracks without first spending time brightening up the track running surface and the only effective way I've found so far, is to do this via 'elbow grease' and a track rubber. Undaunted ofcourse, here's my MK1 attempt at a mechanical alternative!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dlGF8pkJQ

Dave
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lee Willis:
..go over the track with a powerful magnet before using it again (I used a 2” 100 lb neodymium magnet): it picks up an amazing amount of tiny metal debris from the steel wool.

My conclusion, frankly, is that fine steel wool or around #800 wet dry sandpaper used with discretion might be the nuclear weopon of track cleaning. /QUOTE]

Nuclear would about describe it. I would guess that the bulk of your voltage drop is in the joiners, not the track surface. For my layout w/ FasTrack I am using a good conductive grease. You didn't mention Scotchbrite pads or Goo Gone. Goo Gone followed by a through cleaning with alchol is my "Nukulur option". Even with a magnet, I wouldn't chance the steel wool. Just my $0.02.



Gilly
Having had to clean bits of steel wool out of magnetraction engines on more than one occasion (as well as all sorts of other stuff), I would be hesitant to use steel wool on track or anything else that is related to trains.

I guess a "cleanup" magnet would help, but I would still stay with a non-metalic solution.

To each their own.
Lee,
I like the findings yet very unorthodox.
There is one other experiment I would like to see. I would use a track cleaner, or goo gone used. Some sort of liquid enchant. Than come back with a silver polish and coat the rails.
What is the improvement.

The sand paper is taking of the oxide layer but it also removing the nickel plated layer as well that will slow the oxide layer from coming back. Silver polish may prevent it from coming back with out damaging your track.
For me, lacquer thinner is the nuclear weapon against wheel gunk, especially that band of gunk that resembles a deformed traction tire commonly found on heavily used postwar Lionel trains. Haven't tried it on track though as a few people advised against it. Anyone here use lacquer thinner? Carburetor cleaner might also be a candidate.
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Originally posted by PC9850:
For me, lacquer thinner is the nuclear weapon against wheel gunk, especially that band of gunk that resembles a deformed traction tire commonly found on heavily used postwar Lionel trains. Haven't tried it on track though as a few people advised against it. Anyone here use lacquer thinner? Carburetor cleaner might also be a candidate.
Lacquer thinner or carb cleaner is a bit too much for this task, and carb cleaner attacks the plastic base on Fastrack, for instance.
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Anyone here use lacquer thinner? Carburetor cleaner might also be a candidate.


I will occasionally use low odor paint thinner (mineral spirits) to clean crusty wheels, and miscellanous toy train parts.

I would expect that carb. cleaner would be too strong, not to mention too volatile, and perhaps flammable (at least the spray stuff my older son uses)
I am fairly certain that I've used spray carb cleaner as starter fluid in a pinch (or maybe it was spray brake cleaner).
I've had oxidation problems with N gauge, HO and Aurora Thunderjet slot cars. I've made the mistake of cleaning them with many assorted abrasives, most of them mentioned here, and in turn ruining the track.

I run tubular Lionel track with 072 curves. In most cases, I can leave the track sit for months, (summer months usually), and drop an engine on the track, and after two loops all is well. I did not go as far as to mount a meter on a flatcar, but I do spot check with a multimeter. At most, I can see a loss of about a half a volt on the farthest reach of the pike. (12' by 8' ovals, 40 running feet) I have alternate feeds about every 6 feet. I attribute the half volt loss to the drop between each track junction.

Once or twice a year, I wipe the track with Rail-Zip and let it sit overnight, then re-wipe. You must re-wipe or dirt will stick to the Rail-Zip. I've seen posts that claim that Rail-zip is Automatic Trans fluid, which has cleaners and protectors formulated in it, but I'm not convinced that it is.

I have also used Deoxit products applied in a similar manner as Rail Zip and these have been the best so far. This stuff will take oxidation and dirt off of a 1970's Marantz amplifier volume control pot, and make it as quiet as new.

From the CAIG website:

"DeoxIT® - More than a Contact Cleaner.
DeoxIT's® Unique Formulation, Chemically Improves Connections"

After all that IS what were are working with here, electrical contacts.

One more thing, "DON'T USE STEEL WOOL", even if you are using Mythbusters neodymium iron boron or samarium cobalt magnets to remove your filings, you won't get it all up. The vibration of the running trains will loosen up what you did not get in the first pass. Any minute filings will get sucked up into the magnetic pull of the motor regardless of era.
Yeah, allot of red flags go up when people think about sanding track, however 3000 grit is like a polish, even 1000 grit wet sanding paper is so fine its really polishing the surface of the rail like a bright boy or eraser. I use this method after track I need to use has begun to lose its plating or may have a slight rust spot.
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Originally posted by J Daddy:
Yeah, allot of red flags go up when people think about sanding track, however 3000 grit is like a polish, even 1000 grit wet sanding paper is so fine its really polishing the surface of the rail like a bright boy or eraser. I use this method after track I need to use has begun to lose its plating or may have a slight rust spot.


The 3000 grit also roughs up the rails just a little helping the traction tires some .For me if my rails ever do rust it'll be because I'm not into trains anymore which means I'm not on this planet anymore

David
This is why I don't mind if a topic is repeated over and over again. I never heard of Cunninghham track and wheel cleaner. I read up on the product and may purchase the track cleaner. Does anyone else use this product and what was the result?

I would like to see OGR do an article whereby they review the various track cleaning products.
I run restored tubular track from the late 50's and although everyone goes bananas over it I have always used 0000 steel wool to clean it and alcohol on a cloth afterwards and I have never had a problem. Polishes up the track to a gleaming shine. Of course I make a small pad of wool and use that on about 6 feet of a single rail - don't put a but loose pad of wool over all three tracks.

For wheel gunk I use alcohol on a paper towel and Q tips and if it is bad I use the wire brush on the Dremel at the slowest speeds and then wipe with alcohol.
I've tried many of the methods described by others with the exception of steel wool and sandpaper. I've finally settled on the track car with alcohol approach.

For now, the best solution for track cleaning that I've found was simply making an "operating rules" change.

After any derailment the rules are as follows:
- Clear all short circuits by setting the derailed cars next to the track & then restore power.
- The derailed train may not proceed until the wreck train arrives on the scene.
- The track cleaning car is now part of the wreck train.

Let's just say the track cleaning car gets a fair amount of work.
For cleaning I follow the recommendation given me by Ross when I purchased my track - denatured alcohol.

But, for more creative solutions how about the stuff used to clean other metals like brass, nickel or silver? Things like Brasso or Never-Null of Flitz?

Finally, Lee, are you up for trying another experiment to test a theory? How about just running trains for providing a cleaning effect? Leave the track alone for a time, test the volts, then run a long train for 30-45 minutes and then test again. I think that would be interesting.
Building on Ginsaws requests, I'd be curious as to how long it takes to note any voltage drop from freshly cleaned track after a half-hour session, hour session, etc.

I imagine much of the grime comes from traction tires and swapping out cars which "track" more grime onto the clean track.

I really like your thread Lee, appreciate your sharing the results.

One last thing which some might find outragious; but I've actually experienced some rough running and spikes from track I "over cleaned". All got better as the track got a layer of grime on it. I use the goo-gone track cleaning car, but not to often for best results.

Stack
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Originally posted by oldrob:
Rubbing alcohol has too much water in it. MTH recommends Denatured alcohol only.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/...chem00/chem00102.htm
Rob
99% Isopropyl Alcohol has no significant water content, that's what I use. Even at lower concentrations, alcohol bonds with the water and you shouldn't have a problem with the 91% stuff either.
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