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As usual, I’m behind the times and just got my first locomotive with a LionChief remote. While it’s dirt simple to use, I found it pretty unsatisfying in operation.

I really find three areas that can be easily improved - the knob, finding the center off position and the dynamics of the speed control.

Spurred on by a thread about the universal remote (https://ogrforum.com/topic/184861143990153502) I decided to tear it down and see what I could do to improve it. The next three messages describe what I did. I find the result to be a greatly improved experience, your opinion may/will vary of course!

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The knob - I found it super plasticy feeling, imprecise. The pointer shape is really the only grabbable area, and twisting it while pinching is pretty uncomfortable. That fix is easy, replace the knob! I chose a Davies large skirted fine 1600BM since it fits nicely in the well on the top of the remote. It’s made of quality phenolic resin material, is super easy to precisely grip in a variety of ways. You can even one hand the remote and use your thumb to slide roll the knob on its side. 2 bucks well spent. 3B6DBFFD-FE3B-407D-9880-0429AE5F73516422C48E-8B8B-47FF-A014-079B86052B24

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Making it easier to find center off can be done a few different ways. I thought the easiest path would be to replace the pot with one that has a center detent. The no-name pot that Lionel’s sub contractor uses is a linear 10k, and luckily the same size as commonly available Alpha (Taiwan) pots which have center detent versions in a variety of values. I don’t believe the value to be critical, I used a 25k in mine. The combination of having a center-off detent and the smooth usable knob means you can really operate the remote one handed, without having to look at the remote or even the engine which helps in throwing switches, etc. It feels really good.

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Finally, I found it very hard to find the slowest speeds, without hitting a dead stop or having the engine take off. To fix this requires adding resistors to the pot, one from each end to the wiper. This changes the tapered response of the linear pot to an inverted “S” curve which is pretty weird for normal use of a pot, but for a control which is center off, exactly what I wanted. Here’s a plot of how the response curve can be modified by simply adding resistors:

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ou can see how the slope is flatter around the center position, gradually gets steeper, and then sharply steeper at the extremes. This gives you a little dead zone around the off detent, and allows you to ease into that first speed steep, let’s you get to medium speed through most of the rotation, saving the highest speeds for the end (personally I never run that fast and would actually consider adding resistors to the ends of the pot, reserving its resolution for my actual usable range of speeds). Anyway, I like this changed response. Here’s where I added the resistors:

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The result of these three changes, at least for me, completely transforms the experience of using the LionChief remote. I have a Lionel Universal Remote on order, I’ll definitely be taking a look at that one when it arrives.

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I like the original knob. I have no problem with controlling the engine without looking at the remote. I very much enjoy operating two trains on the same track. I watch the layout with one remote in each of my hands and I never need to look down at where the knob is on either of the remotes because I can feel it. More importantly for me, my grandchildren as young as 2 years old can operate the trains because the remote is so intuitively obvious how it works.

I do like what you have done with the  center detent. If I could purchase a universal remote and choose center detent as an option, I would definitely choose that option. But I would not pay extra for it because it solves a problem that I don't actually experience.

I like the new round knob. I have one original LC remote and the Universal (and a Menards). The pointer-shaped handle is not easily operated with just your thumb. I also find that I'm using both hands to operate the remote.
I'm actually surprised that Lionel didn't use a version of the Cab 1, 1L, 2, Red knob on the LC remotes. Where was the marketing department on that one.....

Also big agreement on adding a center off detente. I've slammed a train or two back and fourth trying to get to "off".
The resistors are a good idea too.

Nice work.

Bob

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