Future Projects for GGD/Sunset to consider

Considering they are going to do the PAs theres a good chance they will test the reservations for FAs at some point,just saying! If they do produce the FAs I seriously doubt they will reach anywhere near the detail level of the Rapido models JMO

How about SDL-39s.

Dick

They need to be available in SLSF, too:

top photo: www.condrenrails.com

bottom photo: Joe McMillan via pinterest.com

For passenger cars I was hoping on correct U.P. Passenger cars similar to whats being run on their excursion trains...but I see now Lionel has that covered.  (I have another post on that topic with questions on 2-railing them).  I'm pretty much set for locomotives since Sunset produced the F & E series EMD units.....   The one locomotive that I would still order would be the venerable SD40-2.  So many sold..to so many railroads...over so many years.  

Didn't Atlas get the tooling for the Weaver FAs?

Jim Scorse posted:

Didn't Atlas get the tooling for the Weaver FAs?

I understand that it depended on where the tooling was located/used. The tooling Weaver used in China, was apparently "acquired" by Atlas, while the Weaver tooling located/used here in the U.S.A was apparently "acquired" by Lionel.

Lessee.....Lionel, MTH, Weaver.....they've all done scale FA's. 

Maybe not to the finesse of Scott's standards, but how many sets of dies/tooling/paint masks/etc. can the FA market absorb??....and leave enough room/margin for 3rd Rail to justify the numbers....in what paint schemes/discrete details/quantities?....etc., etc., etc., blah, blah.

EA's/E-1's in Beano and Warbonnet paint?.....Now that's what's lacking in the repertoire of O2R/O3R Dieseldom!!

(Bob Heil, Scott Mann.......I'm relentless, don't you know!!)

KD

Even if Atlas acquired the Weaver FA tooling based on their current production of motive power I believe Sunset would have plenty of time to produce FAs, most of their latest power sells to the 2 rail market and their production runs are much lower than Atlas.JMO

dkdkrd posted:

Lessee.....Lionel, MTH, Weaver.....they've all done scale FA's. 

Maybe not to the finesse of Scott's standards, but how many sets of dies/tooling/paint masks/etc. can the FA market absorb??....and leave enough room/margin for 3rd Rail to justify the numbers....in what paint schemes/discrete details/quantities?....etc., etc., etc., blah, blah.

EA's/E-1's in Beano and Warbonnet paint?.....Now that's what's lacking in the repertoire of O2R/O3R Dieseldom!!

(Bob Heil, Scott Mann.......I'm relentless, don't you know!!)

KD

Ok. Well, so far we have FA2s from Weaver, Lionel, Williams, and MTH. I think that covers it for the mass producers. Williams engines are FA1s with dynamic brakes. They are nice engines. But they also have everybody's favorite China drive. Everyone else makes FA2s with what appear to be short wheelbase trucks. Weavers originally had a scale drive that was noisy and not particularly durable (until it was rebuilt). The casting is good for its era but you have to add all of the details that you want. Noses and windshields will forever be debated. The MTH units are the only ones that comes with dynamic brakes on the roof. Lionel's doesn't have them and then you'd have to get both orange and purple box variants two railed - still stuck with china drives... Nobody has made a FPA-2. That would be unique. Throw in the 3rd Rail drive and Sunset detail and Scott would have another winner. All of that doesn't sound too different from when he decided to do E and F units.

For what's worth, I would purchase an ACCURATE ALCO RS3 from Sunset/3rd Rail. Deciding on what railroad styling might be difficult, as I may have to purchase more than one model.

I would love to see an Angus done by them. I like the wacky stuff like that and if they made an Angus I would probably bite the bullet.

Hot Water posted:

For what's worth, I would purchase an ACCURATE ALCO RS3 from Sunset/3rd Rail. Deciding on what railroad styling might be difficult, as I may have to purchase more than one model.

Me, too.

If they run as smoothly as the Legacy 4-axle engines ... I would commit to two Anthracite Railroad roadnames. Preferably a yellow-striped CNJ and a LV.

Years ago they marketed sitting passengers for a reasonable price. Certainly not the quality of an Arttista. But inside a passenger car they were decent for the price. I'd like to see them come out with a line of sitting military personnel. They have some Brass Hospital cars coming and they would look great in their PULLMAN's if you are modeling the WW2 era. Atlas is running the Weaver Troop Sleepers. K-Line offered some years ago. Seems with a lot of modelers doing military themes. These would sell.

 I to would be in the market for a well done RS-3. With a fixed pilot option for a Kadee  and detailed interior.  Don't really care if it has smoke. Would rather see it scale proportioned. These have been done by pretty much everyone. They all seemed engineered to fit all the bells and whistles inside. None seem to have the look of the early Weaver chain drives that had a fixed pilot even in their 3 Rail version.

Locomotive projects I would buy (but don't expect to get built, as GGD would probably consider them too expensive to produce vs. their small size and what they would sell for) are, as always, small two truck Heislers and Climaxes, 2-4-4-2 Little River loco, Great Western/Strasburg #90, and possibly an inspection engine....several different rail cars and gas electrics would be bought:  McKeen, GE, Brill, and others, railbuses including the Mack and Sykes, maybe a railed schoolbus on some chassis other than Ford, such as International, Reo, Chevy, etc.  GGD has in the past generated a few steamers of interest here.   Otherwise train money gets spent on travel, and structure and other old O scale kits.

colorado hirailer posted:

<snip>  gas electrics would be bought:  McKeen, GE, Brill, and others, <snip>

3rd Rail did a lovely PRR Brill a couple of years back. Scarce as hen's teeth now.

Western Maryland Hammerhead

I'd like one of these too. Regular Fireball RS3s are also on my wish list.

if nothing else i am persistent.

we need PRR E-2b, E-3b and E-2c  electric engines. 

custom models anyone?

mikeg

PRR Yellow Kid passenger train,

EBT Jim posted:

Hot Water posted:

For what's worth, I would purchase an ACCURATE ALCO RS3 from Sunset/3rd Rail. Deciding on what railroad styling might be difficult, as I may have to purchase more than one model.

Me, too.

If they run as smoothly as the Legacy 4-axle engines ... I would commit to two Anthracite Railroad roadnames. Preferably a yellow-striped CNJ and a LV.

i would pre-order two anthracite roads rs-3's, also

N&W S1a, Z1b, CF, C2, CG. CH Caboose...

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W S1a, Z1b, CF, C2, CG. CH Caboose...

All of these have been done. Most were poor sellers! ! !

I am pushing for  Golden Gate Depot to to do the 1941 Southern Railway Tennessean, and for Sunset Models to do the Southern Railway Streamlined PS-4 #1380 that was streamlined specifically to haul the Tennessean from Washington, DC to Monroe, VA (yes Weaver did this but that was some time ago).  At Monroe (north of Lynchburg) the N&W would take over and carry the train over the blue ridge to Roanoke and Bristol, where it would be handed back over to the Southern and usually an Alco PA would take the train the rest of the way to Memphis, TN. 

As an added bonus, Golden Gate could also do the "Southerner" train which had the same cars, also part of the Southern's 1941 Pullman standard car order, and was hauled by an E6 - the only difference  was the observation car. The Southerner ran from New York to New Orleans via Atlanta, the route today's Amtrak Crescent follows. 

Tennessean: 

Southerner: 

Williams did the Southern Ps-4 in both 2rail and 3rail as I have one of the 2rail locomotives.  I'd love to see the trains as the cars had a very unusual fluting.  The Virginia Transportation Museum had one of the cars but being exposed to the elements you could walk up to it, tap the sides and hear the rusted metal fall between the outside shell and inside beams.  They used multiple types of steel which formed thermocouples thus the car ate itself up.  I think the museum at Spencer, NC has one of the cars but not sure what condition it's in.

Ken

nw2124 posted:

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W S1a, Z1b, CF, C2, CG. CH Caboose...

All of these have been done. Most were poor sellers! ! !

Not by 3rd Rail.

Big Jim posted:

nw2124 posted:

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W S1a, Z1b, CF, C2, CG. CH Caboose...

All of these have been done. Most were poor sellers! ! !

Not by 3rd Rail.

So............if 3rd Rail makes it, they will come? 

Most likely NOT! Sunset and Weaver already did a low end N&W cabooses.

Stephen

mwb posted:

Big Jim posted:

nw2124 posted:

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W S1a, Z1b, CF, C2, CG. CH Caboose...

All of these have been done. Most were poor sellers! ! !

Not by 3rd Rail.

So............if 3rd Rail makes it, they will come? 

Will they come... Probably not for what you or I want. 

Rule292 posted:

mwb posted:

Big Jim posted:

nw2124 posted:

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W S1a, Z1b, CF, C2, CG. CH Caboose...

All of these have been done. Most were poor sellers! ! !

Not by 3rd Rail.

So............if 3rd Rail makes it, they will come? 

Will they come... Probably not for what you or I want. 

No doubt about that,

The old TMCC Lionel 0-8-0 was not a S1a. It was USRA. Nothing MTH has made is even close other than the wheel arrangement.

The Legacy 2-6-6-2 was a fantasy "whaddizit", certainly not a Z1b!

Whadda ya say we slap Union Pacific 3985 on the side of the new Legacy 2-6-6-4, call it a Challenger and see how well the UP guys go for it. Yes, I know it's a 4-6-6-4. But what's a couple of little wheels among friends? 

nw2124 posted:

Most likely NOT! Sunset ... already did a low end N&W cabooses.

Stephen

And even for a 3 railer, they didn't cut it....couldn't even get the windows right.

nw2124 posted:

Most likely NOT! Sunset and Weaver already did a low end N&W cabooses.

Stephen

There you go again Stephen with all of those negative waves man! Why don't you just cut it out with all of the negatives waves?

The N&W S1a & the family of 0-8-0's have a lot of prototypical potential for many roads. 

My previous post.....

Big Jim posted:

nw2124 posted:

Most likely NOT! Sunset and Weaver already did a low end N&W cabooses.

Stephen

There you go again Stephen with all of those negative waves man! Why don't you just cut it out with all of the negatives waves?

The N&W S1a & the family of 0-8-0's have a lot of prototypical potential for many roads. 

Big j: Not being negative, just stating the facts. These were done in a brass and were very P O O O R sellers. 

Why is it that when some one states the facts that you do not like it is negative. I positively know they were poor sellers! Is that positive enough for you?

 Stephen

N&W Gilly

I do not read the 3-rail toy forums as do others who have stated this also.. I like scale trains!

Stephen

nw2124 posted:

Big Jim posted:

nw2124 posted:

Most likely NOT! Sunset and Weaver already did a low end N&W cabooses.

Stephen

There you go again Stephen with all of those negative waves man! Why don't you just cut it out with all of the negatives waves?

The N&W S1a & the family of 0-8-0's have a lot of prototypical potential for many roads. 

Big j: Not being negative, just stating the facts. These were done in a brass and were very P O O O R sellers. 

Why is it that when some one states the facts that you do not like it is negative. I positively know they were poor sellers! Is that positive enough for you?

 Stephen

Well, when you say "Most likely NOT!", that is not fact. That is opinion, your "negative" opinion!

Let me restate it then, they were poor sellers. How many did you buy. NONE!

Stephen

nw2124 posted:

N&W Gilly

I do not read the 3-rail toy forums as do others who have stated this also.. I like scale trains!

Stephen

Why not?  You just might learn something from them. 

This is a classic case of different perspectives between 2 railers and those in  3 rail scale.  NW2124's perspective is based on past sales of 2 rail N & W offerings. Some times the reverse is true with 2 railers not getting a product because it has already been done recently in 3 rail such as the PRR G5 and H10.  From a product viability perspective  to a producer like Sunset (I wish Sott would drop 3RD Rail from the brand since half his sales are to 2 rail) we're stuck in bed together whether we like it or not. 

So, as Stephen turns his nose up at the 3 rail community, it has been stated before that there are those in the 2 rail roundhouse that have thanked the 3 railers for getting engines also made in 2 rail that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day in either version. He (and others of like mind) should be looking at the bigger picture and embracing it for the better good of everyone in this hobby.

nw2124 posted:

N&W Gilly

I do not read the 3-rail toy forums as do others who have stated this also.. I like scale trains!

Stephen

Well now, if I am not mistaken, it was you, Stephen,  that came on the 3RS forum lambasting Scott & Bob & anybody that took up for them, and single handedly got the entire thread deleted along with all of the excellent information that had been gathered about the B&O Cincinnatian passenger cars!!!