Bib Jim: I respect you very much and think a lot of you. Why the banter. The deleted post was on the 2 rail forum and I know why and who had the forum deleted. Now back to N&W, Jim, how about Scott doing the N&W M2 4-8-0? Now that's a win locomotive!
I would also like to see the K1s but I do not believe they would sell. What do you think?
Stephen
nw2124 posted:What do you think?
Stephen
I think, sadly, that unless it has "Big Boy", "Challenger" or "Hudson" in its name, or, it's painted in war-bonnet colors is it going to sell!!!
I don't think that the modeling community has educated itself enough to even know about the N&W M2's , much less make it a seller. It is not at the top of my list, although, it is on there.
I do think that the 0-8-0 has so many variants (the N&W S1a being one) across the country that it could be a decent seller.
I very much would like to see Scott do the K1 and sort of complete the N&W K classes. There might even be some mileage to had from the USRA based N&W unstreamlined K2/K2a. Along with the K1, it would complete the N&W Mountain saga.
Speaking of sellers, I was very much surprised that the N&W K3 sold as well as it did. I never liked that loco, the N&W didn't either, but, modelers ate them up. So, it is obvious that I am not the one to ask about what will or will not sell.
nw2124 posted:N&W Gilly
I do not read the 3-rail toy forums as do others who have stated this also.. I like scale trains!
Stephen
How interesting that you are so knowledgeable about my personal locomotive inventory. I would think that Scott Mann would be quite interested to learn that the N&W TE-1, K-3, K2a, and M are all non-scale "toys".
Unless they are 1:1 scale , regardless of how many rails these things run on, they're all toys.
Scott, how about while you're listening to all of us old boys oohing and aching over our favourite (yes Brit) castings-loaded steamers, will you bang out a CF7 in a bunch of road names, especially the short lines that would grab the bored HO guys that Grandma's given her old ironing-board to.
Jason
Lessee.....Lionel, MTH, Weaver.....they've all done scale FA's.
Maybe not to the finesse of Scott's standards, but how many sets of dies/tooling/paint masks/etc.
can the FA market absorb??....and leave enough room/margin for 3rd Rail to justify the numbers
....in what paint schemes/discrete details/quantities?....etc., etc., etc., blah, blah.
Well there maybe a shot with the FA-1 since only WBB made them in O gauge only.
For Alco's I would like to see...
RS-2
C415
C636
And in brass a one time run of the Ace 3000!
Keystoned Ed posted:From a product viability perspective to a producer like Sunset (I wish Sott would drop 3RD Rail from the brand since half his sales are to 2 rail) we're stuck in bed together whether we like it or not.
Ed,
I agree about the name but here is the reason that probably won't happen; at the York TCA meets probably 95-99 % of the folks who stop by the Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate display are 3 rail or 3RS modelers. Being a 2 rail modeler I usually refer to Sunset Models rather than 3rd Rail when answering questions. You might be surprised how many folks ask me "who is Sunset Models ?"
Conversely, if I answer a 2 railer by saying "3rd Rail" they know I really mean Sunset.
Keystoned Ed posted:........ we're stuck in bed together whether we like it or not.
Now if we could only get the maid service in to change the sheets, 
prrhorseshoecurve posted:
And in brass a one time run of the Ace 3000!
Don't underestimate that possibility.
rheil posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:
And in brass a one time run of the Ace 3000!
Don't underestimate that possibility.
Oh, please. With so many worthwhile potential models out there to be produced?
Reading K-1, anyone?
Whip us up some some of these Scott.
Canadian National SD50F
CP Rail SD40-2F
ACE 3000!
Talk about Fantasy!
Bob, you have got to be be kidding!!!
Let me echo Rex..."Oh, please. With so many worthwhile potential models out there to be produced?"
richtrow posted:Whip us up some some of these Scott.
Canadian National SD50F
CP Rail SD40-2F
I'm in!
rex desilets posted:Reading K-1, anyone?
How about a Reading E-3-b or a D-5-f???? Might be able to get my attention with the latter, 
rheil posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:
And in brass a one time run of the Ace 3000!
Don't underestimate that possibility.
Hmmm,
Now that is probably the only steam locomotive I might be interested in.
rdunniii posted:rheil posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:
And in brass a one time run of the Ace 3000!
Don't underestimate that possibility.
Hmmm,
Now that is probably the only steam locomotive I might be interested in.
See that Jim and Rex !!!!! C'mon, Jim, we'll even have you design the NS paint and lettering scheme
Bob
Another idea. How about ex PRR K3a manufactured by Baldwin in 1913. They were sold to N&W where they became Class E3 · 4-6-2, Cab#500–504. This gives two road name options for the same locomotive plus the option of selling extra tenders for people who model both roads.
I know there are tons of PRR K4s out there. Has the PRR K3a been made? Look at the bright side. You could paint "Pennsylvania" on a soup can and it would probably sell....
Just to be nice, make 2/3 of the run 2 rail. Just as long as I can buy one....
Now I wish I knew how to do photos. I would repeat that ugly Ace, so we would be sure not to miss it.
I think somebody should do a die cast PA or E-7 to the standards Lionel and Sunset are holding with plastic models.
bob2 posted:I think somebody should do a die cast PA or E-7 to the standards Lionel and Sunset are holding with plastic models.
A "die cast" model? Surely you jest.
rheil posted:See that Jim and Rex !!!!! C'mon, Jim, we'll even have you design the NS paint and lettering schemeBob
No thank you, not interested. You folks just go on and waste another ton of good brass on that piece of junk that never saw the light of day!
I'll save my confederate money for a rainy day.
Originally posted by gilly@n&w:
Another idea. How about ex PRR K3a manufactured by Baldwin in 1913.
They were sold to N&W where they became Class E3 · 4-6-2, Cab#500–504.
This gives two road name options for the same locomotive plus the option of selling extra tenders
for people who model both roads.
NICE bit of information! I would be in for the PRR version for sure!
I have never been much on locomotives with Belpair fireboxes, Walshaerts valve gear, high headlights and tiny tenders. But, after changes were made, the E3 looks like a proper N&W loco. I would much prefer a nice E2a, but, I could go for one of these.
Gilly@N&W posted:Another idea. How about ex PRR K3a manufactured by Baldwin in 1913.
Nice, right era, but then the CVRR never had any.........so no interest other than the purely academic.
mwb posted:rex desilets posted:Reading K-1, anyone?
How about a Reading E-3-b or a D-5-f???? Might be able to get my attention with the latter,
Oh, an obscure locomotive from a semi-obscure railroad..
However, an appropriate chassis and drivers from the Brits and roll your own superstructure. You can add it to your que.
rex desilets posted:mwb posted:rex desilets posted:Reading K-1, anyone?
How about a Reading E-3-b or a D-5-f???? Might be able to get my attention with the latter,
Oh, an obscure locomotive from a semi-obscure railroad..
However, an appropriate chassis and drivers from the Brits and roll your own superstructure. You can add it to your que.
And here I thought to try to meet you in the middle of the Reading,
I'm not building any more engines outside the existing queue. If anything, I should see some of those that I have and really don't need at all, or have no real justification for either. 
I would like to see any of the following produced with DCC/Sound. Steam with smoke as well.
Somebody above wants a N&W M-2 4-8-0? Strasburg has one, I have seen it, AND I saw the Third Rail version at York, not that long ago, and offered by Scott. It has been done and is out there (Probably being carefully hoarded, as I admired it, and have no business with one) I was asking in a thread how unusual that wheel arrangement was, and some one mentioned SP and others operating them.
colorado hirailer posted:Somebody above wants a N&W M-2 4-8-0? Strasburg has one, I have seen it, AND I saw the Third Rail version at York, not that long ago, and offered by Scott.
The M is what Sunset did. The M2 is a very different animal.
jonnyspeed posted:I would like to see any of the following produced with DCC/Sound. Steam with smoke as well.
- GP30
- SW1
- RS-2
- 2-6-0
- 4-4-0
- Erie K-5 4-6-2 Pacific, Erie N-2 2-8-2 Mikado, Erie G-15 4-6-0
the new MTH catalog has the GP30, and there's a 4-6-0 G5 that may be of interest?
Engineer-Joe posted:jonnyspeed posted:I would like to see any of the following produced with DCC/Sound. Steam with smoke as well.
- GP30
- SW1
- RS-2
- 2-6-0
- 4-4-0
- Erie K-5 4-6-2 Pacific, Erie N-2 2-8-2 Mikado, Erie G-15 4-6-0
the new MTH catalog has the GP30, and there's a 4-6-0 G5 that may be of interest?
Pity, The models pictured for the G5 as well as the CNJ 4-6-0 or the GP30 look very toylike.
Boston and Maine P4a and the East Wind Cars a winner its short like the TOT and beautiful. And I wouldn't have to build it. Or a Yellow Kid an a E2a
aterry11 posted:Or a Yellow Kid an a E2a
Rule292 posted:Engineer-Joe posted:jonnyspeed posted:I would like to see any of the following produced with DCC/Sound. Steam with smoke as well.
- GP30
- SW1
- RS-2
- 2-6-0
- 4-4-0
- Erie K-5 4-6-2 Pacific, Erie N-2 2-8-2 Mikado, Erie G-15 4-6-0
the new MTH catalog has the GP30, and there's a 4-6-0 G5 that may be of interest?
Pity, The models pictured for the G5 as well as the CNJ 4-6-0 or the GP30 look very toylike.
I like 3rd rail products. They are well detailed and are a good balance of detail vs. price. I am quite happy with MTH products as well. I agree that not all of their products are geared for high end sales. They too strike a great balance of detail vs price. The poster asked and I replied to him.
Just for giggles here's a picture of my MTH Texas type and a 3rd Rail Niagara.
Gilly@N&W posted:nw2124 posted:
Unless they are 1:1 scale , regardless of how many rails these things run on, they're all toys.
I think this maybe a understatement here. The pitch forks are being sharpened right now.
Engineer-Joe posted:Gilly@N&W posted:nw2124 posted:
Unless they are 1:1 scale , regardless of how many rails these things run on, they're all toys.
I think this maybe a understatement here. The pitch forks are being sharpened right now.
Certainly one could call all of our models "toy trains", whether they have scale sized wheels or big wheels and rollers and run on 3 rails.
As for me, I prefer the ones that look as much like the real thing as possible.
But you know what they say - "The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys"
Rule292 posted:Engineer-Joe posted:Gilly@N&W posted:nw2124 posted:
Unless they are 1:1 scale , regardless of how many rails these things run on, they're all toys.
I think this maybe a understatement here. The pitch forks are being sharpened right now.
Certainly one could call all of our models "toy trains", whether they have scale sized wheels or big wheels and rollers and run on 3 rails.
As for me, I prefer the ones that look as much like the real thing as possible.
But you know what they say - "The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys"
One could call the Mona Lisa just a picture or a Ferrari just a car. Not me, but each his own.
The model verses toy has been discussed in depth on a pervious post. I strongly suggestion going back to reread it if you think different!!!! Please REREAD IT !
There is a reason why 2-rail is called "O Scale" and 3-rail is called "O gauge." TCA is shrinking and 3-rails are dying while the NMRA says 2-rail is growing!
Doubt it, Ask Scott Most of his business is now 2-rail. Finally O Scale is getting on the right Track, 2-rail
Stephen
nw2124 posted:The model verses toy has been discussed in depth on a pervious post. I strongly suggestion going back to reread it if you think different!!!! Please REREAD IT !
There is a reason why 2-rail is called "O Scale" and 3-rail is called "O gauge." TCA is shrinking and 3-rails are dying while the NMRA says 2-rail is growing!
Doubt it, Ask Scott Most of his business is now 2-rail. Finally O Scale is getting on the right Track, 2-rail
Stephen
I don't think the issue is two rail versus three rail, Stephen. Or toy train versus scale model.
The issue is how many units of a particular model will sell.
If fourty two-railers reserve a model is it more likely to get built than if fourty two-railers and thirty three-railers reserve it?
Two rail models versus three rail toys simply isn't relevant in these discussions.
Popularity of the model being offered, number of versions AND accuracy and fidelity are relevant.
The original post is Future projects for GGD/Sunset to consider,
GGD/Sunset makes highly detailed models that are higher priced than most comparible products.
Again: what new products should they consider? What would you purchase? Try to stay on topic.
Douglas
nw2124 posted:The model verses toy has been discussed in depth on a pervious post. I strongly suggestion going back to reread it if you think different!!!! Please REREAD IT !
There is a reason why 2-rail is called "O Scale" and 3-rail is called "O gauge." TCA is shrinking and 3-rails are dying while the NMRA says 2-rail is growing!
Doubt it, Ask Scott Most of his business is now 2-rail. Finally O Scale is getting on the right Track, 2-rail
Stephen
I have 3rd Rail, Weaver, Atlas, and SGL engines that are 3-Rail "O Scale".
Jim
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