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I'm wondering which Class I railroad will be the first to buy these retrofit kits for their ES44AC's. This technology will change the railroad industry. The USA has gigantic reserves of natural gas!    

http://www.getransportation.co...ofit-kit-future-here

 

GE Transportation's new NextFuel(TM) Natural Gas Retrofit Kits enable existing Evolution Series locomotives to operate with dual fuel capabilities. This gives railroads flexibility to run on both diesel fuel and liquid natural gas (LNG) with up to 80 percent gas substitution as well as run 100 percent diesel. GE's NextFuel kits allow railroads to use natural gas as a fuel source, reducing emissions and potentially reducing fuel costs by 50 percent while not compromising performance.

Learn more at http://www.getransportation.com

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 This was just covered in the Niagara Falls gazette! It's usually way behind on stuff. So close to Erie I guess it made it to the press faster.

 It talked about fracking bringing down the price to a third of what it was in 2008 at a peak. (So why hasn't our gas bill gone down???)

 It says conversion would come slowly as the infrastructure needs to be built up to supply the nation's 140,000 mile system.

 It also said UP spent 3.6 billion on fuel in 2012, 1/4 of their total expenses.

I had posted this on another related thread.  Keep in mind the video is promotional, there are trade-offs in moving to another fuel.  I like to think that if it is so great why weren't we all ready doing it.  In general the amount of energy available in a fuel is related to the size of the molecule and the number of bonds (links between the individual atoms) that are broken when used as a fuel, Combustion.


Basic Organic ChemistryCarbon and Hydrogen.  Small hydrocarbons exist in the natural state at gases.  Methane and Ethane.  By the time the molecule acquires the third carbon, (Propane), it can easily exist as a liquid with a little pressure and reduced temperature.  As the molecules grow, the liquid state becomes more common and eventually large molecules are semi-liquids to solids. Parafin wax, asphalt.  There are all kinds of things besides Carbon and Hydrogen that come out of the ground, as has been mentioned, when Sulfur and, also Nitrogen, are added to the Mix.   I had read somewhere that a lot of the, new find, shale gas, and shale oil requires refineries not yet built.  Much more complex raw products.  Temperature/pressure is a huge factor in  transportation/rail transportation, of these products, especially the products that are borderline gas/liquid (ethane, propane, butane).   IMO, much needed domestic energy that requires some special care. 


Chart is from Wikipedia, Thank you.
Click on individual components to link the Wikipedia information on each.  Working your way across the chart to the second column Alkene quickly put you into basic building blocks for plastics, We are still waiting, here in the Beaver Valley, PA to hear from Shell Oil as to whether a basic plastics plant will be built on the old Zinc Corporation of America Site. It is interesting to note that there are tremendous investments in these processing facilities in Texas (Houston), but most final product manufacturing using the plastic pellets from this basic process is in the Northeast.  Transportation of raw product from the northeast, central US and Canada to Texas and then transportation of finish product back to consumer populations is a huge consideration as we expand this domestic resource.   IMO   Mike CT

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Liquid fuels get you into the 5,6,7, or more Carbon molecules, Natural Gas 1,2, may be 3 Carbon molecules.  Less energy/per molecule when burned.
I would think most of the discussion centers on unit fuel cost, which is pretty easy to understand, when counting beans (Accounting cost) and in the board room. All based on probably gallons of liquid, or gallons of compressed gases to a liquid.  A better comparison would be units of energy.   Maybe even a better way of selling fuels.  IMO. Mike CT

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Originally Posted by Dominic Mazoch:

It is hard to believe at the surface that you can make something solid like plastic from something like a type of natural gas!

 

In the Houston area, we have some big SIT yards.  These have hoppers full of plastic pellets in storage waiting to be transported when the pellets inside are stored.

Yep  Ethylene from Ethane gas.  Type of plant is call a Cracker.  I'm told the estuary off the Gulf to Houston is lined with these plants. 

Current local press is showing that A Northeastern Cracker plant may be close to happening.   

 

Pittsburgh Post Gazette article.

 

 

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