glue lionel used on flatcars.

@rattler21 posted:

Do you need the flat car for a project, another load or are you going to reposition the scraper?  Why do you want to break the factory bond?  John

Is Factory Bond, James Bond's blue collar brother?  LOL!

@rattler21 posted:

Do you need the flat car for a project, another load or are you going to reposition the scraper?  Why do you want to break the factory bond?  John

will most likely leave it as is, but curious little Grand kids may someday decide to pull it apart not realizing that it will damage the rubber tires when they go to separate it from the flatcar.

I don't think Lionel ever glued the scraper to the car. Might check carefully that the rubber tires have not melted the plastic on the car.

Chuck is correct. Glue was never used at Lionel to secure those loads to the flat car.

Chances are that the load's tires reacted with/melted to the flatcar body, or someone else has glued down the load.

TRW

@Chuck Sartor posted:

I don't think Lionel ever glued the scraper to the car. Might check carefully that the rubber tires have not melted the plastic on the car.

If i"m not correct, I do recall some folks complaining about the adhesive that was used on many that caused melting on the flatcars and the Ertl scrapers, I was just looking for suggestions, Thanks.

@oldpirate posted:

If i"m not correct, I do recall some folks complaining about the adhesive that was used on many that caused melting on the flatcars and the Ertl scrapers, I was just looking for suggestions, Thanks.

The point being made above is that it was not glue!  Yes there were complaints, but it was that if you left the load on the car, the reaction would "glue" it down and mar the surfaces. Obviously it was not something understood at the time of manufacture for the earlier items with this problem, or they most likely would have done something about it.

I had a bunch of these vehicles on flats (not sure if I had this one though).  I think one of the earliest ones before the problem was realized was the 16955 red ATSF flat with New Holland Loader.  I have never seen one of those that did not suffer from this.  Several of the later items from the mid to late 90's with vehicles on flat cars had a plastic sheet (that did not have a reaction problems) placed between the vehicle wheels and the flatcar as a protective measure to prevent this issue.

The chemical reaction people are referring to made it look an awful like goopy clear glue, but it was not.

(I believe PaperTRW might have a bit of insight here. I'd trust him on this one....)

-Dave