Green State Baggage Car

Here is a link to an MTH example (Lionel Corporation Tinplate)

Harlon Creswell made the State Car baggage cars ..first in the late 80's

Sadly, the LCT version is a coach/baggage hybrid with steps, doors and restrooms, thus NOT a true baggage car! :-(

Best to find a Creswell car! :-)

@Tinplate Art posted:

Sadly, the LCT version is a coach/baggage hybrid with steps, doors and restrooms, thus NOT a true baggage car! :-(

For those looking for prototypical!

This thread begs for me to ask the question:  How many Green State cars were made by MTH (with their logo) and what number were made by Lionel (by MTH)?   A list of for each would be great - if possible.

@Allegheny posted:

This thread begs for me to ask the question:  How many Green State cars were made by MTH (with their logo) and what number were made by Lionel (by MTH)?   A list of for each would be great - if possible.

Kazar,

I was told by a good friend that has all of them, listed them out for me:

All the extra cars are
Mich
Jersey

Solarium
And pensy baggsge

He pulled all cars with 2 ea. 381's

Joe Gozzo

MikeH: It is NOT really a matter of being  "prototypical", but rather a baggage car looking like a proper baggage car. Passenger doors, steps and restrooms are just plain silly. The Creswell car was done correctly and it IS still tinplate! I rest my case! :-)

PS: My state set will never see the LCT "baggage" car! LOL!

@Tinplate Art posted:

MikeH: It is NOT really a matter of being  "prototypical", but rather a baggage car looking like a proper baggage car. Passenger doors, steps and restrooms are just plain silly. The Creswell car was done correctly and it IS still tinplate! I rest my case! :-)

Art, I believe that you have the LCT/MTH 'State Set' Pennsylvania baggage car confused with the Blue Comet Olbers baggage car. The Pennsylvania does not have passenger doors, steps, or rest rooms. It does have four baggage doors and has an entirely open interior like a baggage car. It is fitted with some decorative opaque windows, which I guess one can quibble over. Although they are limited instances, there have been 4-door baggage cars with various numbers of daylight windows; more so in Europe. The Pennsylvania is a handsome and reasonably logical (for tinplate) piece which really finishes out a State Set nicely.

Hope this clarifies.

Bob

@Tinplate Art posted:

MikeH: It is NOT really a matter of being  "prototypical", but rather a baggage car looking like a proper baggage car. Passenger doors, steps and restrooms are just plain silly. The Creswell car was done correctly and it IS still tinplate! I rest my case! :-)

As in like a Combine?

BobB: The link provided by MikeH shows a state version of the BC "Olbers" car with passenger doors, steps and restroom windows. I was unaware of the version you cited in your response to me. I am basically taking the position that the Creswell car is a more proper model of a baggage car vs. the MTH version shown in Mike's link.

Palallin: I was only referring to a full baggage car, and not a combine, which by definition has elements of both a baggage and passenger car.

The baggage car in the photo is not as delivered. The center windows, passenger doors etc are all deleted. What you get is 4 windows and 2 baggage car doors on each end. Having someone post a picture as I can not get photos to my computer without hard wiring.

I would like to see the as-delivered MTH state baggage car. Sounds like a big improvement over the one shown in Mike's link.

@Tinplate Art posted:

I would like to see the as-delivered MTH state baggage car. Sounds like a big improvement over the one shown in Mike's link.

Here you go.

The colors appear a bit 'off' due to the photography, but they are a perfect match with the MTH/LCT State greens. Even a cursory look will quickly and strongly indicate why the Pennsylvania is in high demand on the secondary market.

Hope this clarifies.

Bob

Jim Cottzolla asked me to post this picture of his MTH Brown baggage car

Thank you Jim for posting. I dug the set out of its traveling box. Of course it was last car to unwrap.

The Brown and Green Baggage cars are tough to acquire because of demand. They only made them once and state cars were made in multiple runs therefore many people want them.

The windows are not very prototypical. However, when you look at the Girard baggage car without windows I think most would prefer the windows. The Girard baggage car is also difficult to acquire.

BobB: THANK YOU for posting the photo of the green state baggage car as delivered. A much improved version with the possible exception of the opaque windows. I would still prefer the Creswell version without the windows. By the way, I do have an Austrian postal/baggage van with windows.

@Trainlover160 posted:

Kazar,

I was told by a good friend that has all of them, listed them out for me:

All the extra cars are
Mich
Jersey

Solarium
And pensy baggsge

He pulled all cars with 2 ea. 381's

Joe Gozzo

There is a 3rd Pennsylvania State car. For some reason MTH made both a State car and Baggage with Pennsylvania badging.

and just to clarify..........the Solarium car is Maryland

@F&G RY posted:

The windows are not very prototypical. However, when you look at the Girard baggage car without windows I think most would prefer the windows. The Girard baggage car is also difficult to acquire.

I forgot, I do have a Girard (11-40047):

Now, I really like that Girard baggage car! :-)

As all of you know by now, I am firmly a NO baggage car windows kind of guy, so both the LCT Girard car and the Creswell version appeal to my sensibility! :-)

That Girard "full baggage" car is GREAT, but if you are looking for a full baggage car to go with Ives passenger cars (and maybe RichArt's American Flyer passenger cars too), you should consider RichArt's "unique" cars including their full baggage, REA, and RPO cars.  Below is a photo of the RichArt's REA and full baggage cars in a Milwaukee Road livery.

Not shown is RichArt's unique RPO car, which is similar to their REA car but has three small windows next to both cargo doors and can be seen as part of a RichArt Prosperity set at the 1 minute mark using the video link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3D7JxGQUe4

Bob Nelson

VERY NICE and attractive models! Then again, who among us does not like the classic Milwaukee Road liveries?

One must assume the windows on the REA car are functional for the workers sorting deliveries enroute, much like an RPO car.

Was there an actual prototype for the REA baggage car on the Milwaukee Road? If not, it certainly does not diminish the beauty of that model!

@Tinplate Art posted:

Was there an actual prototype for the REA baggage car on the Milwaukee Road? If not, it certainly does not diminish the beauty of that model!

Yes, there were several prototypes.

The Milwaukee Road had dedicated REA head-end cars included in many of its passenger trains.  There were several designs including the combine in the photo below that was originally part of The Milwaukee Road's 1939 HIAWATHA trains but was later converted for use on branch lines.

Bob Nelson

Hello Art,

Here are a few pictures that show the Varney & Sirus Combine along with the Richart REA & Baggage cars in the Olympian Paint.

I picked up the Baggage & Chair cars to add to the set in separate auctions several years after acquiring the passenger set.

Ken

Ken: WOWSA! So VERY cool! Thanks much for sharing! :-)

"It is NOT really a matter of being  "prototypical", but rather a baggage car looking like a proper baggage car. Passenger doors, steps and restrooms are just plain silly. The Creswell car was done correctly and it IS still tinplate! I rest my case! "

Hey Everybody!  Tinplate fight!!!

Mannyrock

No kerfuffle here; just an oppugnant viewpoint. Waeshal!

NOTE: Waeshal was an early (9th Century) West Saxon dialect expression of wishing someone good health. It evolved into the modern wassail as to share a cup (mulled cidar) of cheer, at Christmastide.