there is a grey 4-12-2 shown in the new Lionel catalog. A good looking locomotive, but does anyone know if this is a fantasy paint scheme?
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@hclarke posted:there is a grey 4-12-2 shown in the new Lionel catalog. A good looking locomotive, but does anyone know if this is a fantasy paint scheme?
Thanks!
Must be, as ALL UP 9000 series 4-12-2 locomotives were black, with the standard UP "silver" lettering, just like the 3900 class 4-6-6-4s, 4000 class 4-8-8-4s, and 800 class 4-8-4s (except of course for the 2-tone gray 4-8-4s and 4-6-6-4s).
@Hot Water posted:Must be, as ALL UP 9000 series 4-12-2 locomotives were black, with the standard UP "silver" lettering, just like the 3900 class 4-6-6-4s, 4000 class 4-8-8-4s, and 800 class 4-8-4s (except of course for the 2-tone gray 4-8-4s and 4-6-6-4s).
UP also had two tone gray 4-6-2's and 4-8-2's.
Rusty
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As far as I know, based on the UP loco power books I have, there was not a greyhound paint scheme for the 4-12-2. They did run on the Oregon Short Line subsidiary and I note that Lionel has an OSL paint scheme version. Not clear to me what the differences are among the other three UP paint schemes, besides the road number.
As I noted on another thread, (one of my favorite gripes) Lionel is offering O-SCALE locos in paint jobs that never existed (if you are a scale person, would you buy something for which there is no prototype??). I don't know enough about which RRs actually had some of the various diesels but the Lionel folks are offering 4-12-2 locos in several non-UP road names when, at least as far as I know, only UP had that locomotive (certainly C & O never did, and I'm pretty certain that SP, D&RGW, Milwaukee Rd didn't either - not certain about SP&S, but I don't think so) - almost as bad as offering EP-5's in anything but NH livery... (rant over). Lionel does cop to offering fantasy paint schemes for the 4-12-2...
@richs09 posted:but the Lionel folks are offering 4-12-2 locos in several non-UP road names when, at least as far as I know, only UP had that locomotive (certainly C & O never did, and I'm pretty certain that SP, D&RGW, Milwaukee Rd didn't either - not certain about SP&S, but I don't think so) - almost as bad as offering EP-5's in anything but NH livery... (rant over). Lionel does cop to offering fantasy paint schemes for the 4-12-2...
Correct. UP was the ONLY road to employ 4-12-2's.
Rusty
@richs09 posted:As I noted on another thread, (one of my favorite gripes) Lionel is offering O-SCALE locos in paint jobs that never existed (if you are a scale person, would you buy something for which there is no prototype??). I don't know enough about which RRs actually had some of the various diesels but the Lionel folks are offering 4-12-2 locos in several non-UP road names when, at least as far as I know, only UP had that locomotive (certainly C & O never did, and I'm pretty certain that SP, D&RGW, Milwaukee Rd didn't either - not certain about SP&S, but I don't think so) - almost as bad as offering EP-5's in anything but NH livery... (rant over). Lionel does cop to offering fantasy paint schemes for the 4-12-2...
Rich,
How do you get past the 3rd rail? I too do not purchase any fantasy engines but if others do that is fine with me. Lionel is quite up front when they do a fantasy paint scheme so it is not like they are trying to slip it by anyone. I am a PRR fan so I never bought a PRR DD35 or a PRR Hudson but if someone does want one who cares its their money.
JohnB
A two tone grey Lionel (Reg.U.S.Pat.Off.) Union Pacific 4-14-2 might be considered fantasy but could be accectable had UP painted one up in the scheme to see how it would look. In addition to the UP 4-14-2, I'm also a fan of the only 4-14-4 that Russia built!
Note: German manufacturer Piko released a G scale UP 2-6-0 in the two tone grey scheme with silver smokebox and "brass" bell that looks pretty doggone sharp!
Item: In my opinion, I find the paint jobs on UP's Espee and Katy EMD SD70ACe heritage units terrible. YUCK! On the other hand, the other schemes are Clean Machines! Indeed they are!
richs09: New Haven's GE built EP-5's went on to serve Penn Central and looked pretty sharp in gloss black when the left the paint booth!
