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I just picked this up from my cousin.  It belonged to her father.  I am fairly knowledgeable about Lionel tinplate, but know next to nothing about any other ( I know, one of these days I should branch out and expand, but.well, that would be another post.).   Anyway, can anyone help me out?  This does not have a company name on it anywhere, like Ives or American Flyer.  Other than the "Pennsylvana Lines"  and the "PL" on either side, the only other writing on it is on the motor plate.  It says "  Germany"  and then under that it says "D.R.P   a"      and under that it says  "Patent"  and under that  "appl for"     it is what I would call a dark olive green, with red trim around the windows, wheels, vents and roof. The lettering is in gold on the sides.  The frame and pantographs are black.  the pickups look to be indented sliders that would ride on the center rail.  It is O gauge.  It has a reversing lever that comes out the back. It is cast iron.  Attached are some pics of it.  If it helps, in the same box were an Ives chair car, an ives baggage car and a ives passenger car.  the numbers on those are 60, 61, 62.  they are red with black roofs and frames. eight wheel trucks.   Attached are pics of the engine.  thanks in advance for any help.

 

Hank

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you overlooked the most import mark on the motor, BW for Bing Werke, the mark that appeared on Bing products from 1924 through 1932 replacing the GBN mark.  D.R.P. (Deutsches Reichspatent) is the Germany patent equivalent used before 1945.

 

Bing copied Ives designs for items geared to the American market, especially prevalent in this electric outline locomotive and the matching passenger car sets in 4 and 8 wheel versions.

just scroll down a bit under the Tinplate sub-forum and you should run into this string.

 

https://ogrforum.com/t...ature-railway-system

 

not exactly an exhaustive coverage on Bing, but an adequate intro to some of the items they produced for the American market.  don't forget that the prewar era also included WWI, and while it did not impact the toy industry as much or as long as WWII, it did effect how German products were viewed by the rest of the world. 

 

cheers...gary

my interest in Bing stems from importation by Hafner to fulfill their early freight car and accessory requirements, however, Bing went out of business in 1933 so i have little idea about the production of German toys during WWII.  i'm certain Nuremberg took some damage over those years.

 

...i heard Ike preferred Marx trains.

Thank you all.  Well. I put it on the track, and it ran...slowly, but it ran.  Guess some clean up and lube is in order.  Looks nice.  Will have to see how those Ives cars clean up.  They look to be in really good shape except the wheels are somewhat dirty and of course there is some dust/dirt on the frame/roof.

So I got to thinking about it, and although I have no intention of selling the
Bing engine, does anyone have any idea of what it might be worth?  I'm more interested in putting a value on it as I will include it on my inventory for my insurance on my trains.   thanks in advance.

 

Hank

 

P.S.  some cleaning and a little lube and it runs like a top!  I put some early Lionel 8 wheel freights behind it and enjoyed watching it run around the layout.  Maybe I need to start looking for some Bing freights to go with it......and my wallet just let out a sigh. 

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