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Good evening everyone,

 

I am working on upgrading my 2011 MTH Premier Line - 70' Streamlined ATSF Blue Goose Passenger Cars to LED's from RoyzTrains. The boards are a great product and in NO WAY caused this damage.

 

This was done with the original lighting board in place. It has even melted the paint work on the underside of the car. From the pictures, does anyone have any advice on repairing? The set is still in warranty as it was just purchased brand new last August, however, MTH service and repair is not on the top of my favorite list at the moment. 

 

Do these wires require replacing or could I use electrical tape to seal them up? If they rehire replacing, I think I can do it myself I could just use some advice from you all. And this is the only car so far from the original set and add-on sleeper/diner that has this issue. I have not taken all of these cars apart yet, but if there are more then I can still use the advice.

 

If you need more photos please let me know.

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

I am running these on a full, command controlled test track with DCS and Lionel Legacy. Powered by an MTH Z-500. 

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Thank you so much for your response. A couple of questions though:

1. Out of curiosity, what does FWIW stand for?

2. What gauge wiring would you recommend and any tips or instructions on how to do this?

3. Is it safe to keep using the car, especially since it is running with a LED lighting board in place that doesn't require much power? Could the wire fail and cause a fire or melt the plastic of the underbody even more?

Thank you,
Chris
Originally Posted by cwedens88:
Thank you so much for your response. A couple of questions though:

1. Out of curiosity, what does FWIW stand for?

2. What gauge wiring would you recommend and any tips or instructions on how to do this?

3. Is it safe to keep using the car, especially since it is running with a LED lighting board in place that doesn't require much power? Could the wire fail and cause a fire or melt the plastic of the underbody even more?

Thank you,
Chris
  1. FWIW -- For What it's Worth
  2. Depends on what you're connecting. Most modern passenger cars are using low-current lighting, so the wire should probably be something around 22-gauge. I would cut out the burnt section of the wire and replace it with a new section of wire. Make sure nothing gets pinched when screwing things down as this can create a potential short down the road. I like to refer to it as a "resistive short" which has just enough resistance to not trip a breaker, but causes heat to build up in the wire and melt the insulation.
  3. LED lighting doesn't draw a lot of current, so that's not the problem. However, for the wiring in a car to melt, it sounds like the breaker in your transformer didn't trip properly and I'd be concerned about that, but if you had a pinched wire, the "resistive short" mentioned above might have been a factor. A Z-500 doesn't have that much power compared to other power supplies, but its maximum current though a thin or pinched wire can still burn the insulation.

 

My fix for passenger cars that I've done LED lighting upgrades for is to put a low value PTC between the two pickups.  That solves the problem of the wiring melting for derailments, and I haven't had any issues with those cars.  I have replaced the wiring in a number of cars I've gotten in for upgrades, as well as a couple of tenders with dual rollers that apparently derailed and suffered a similar fate.

Thank you all for the great advice. I will be replacing the wiring and I know it's not the transformer cutoff. I think the original factory wiring was damaged when the interior was screwed at the factory and the car derailed causing the short but the wiring burned. It's still working perfectly fine but I fear it might cause damage to the new led circuit board.

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