How about the SD70MAC's? or maybe it's time for SD70ACe's.... Scott Mann 3rdRail?

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NYSW 4050(SD70M)

The O-gauge/O-scale market is already full of SD60M/SD70M/SD70MAC manufactured in red China on behalf of Lionel and MTH. There is no space for another competitor to launch that kind of locomotive model to make some profit. The high tooling costs compared to the small market share wouldn't justify the investment.

Personally I tend to agree with that, i.e. no more "new" diesel models from Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot. I personally think that there would be a much bigger market for PROPERLY done CORRECT SCALE models of the EMD SD7/SD9.

O gauge market, yes, the 2 and 3-rail scale market? No.  The Lionel and MTH versions just suck so bad that anyone who cares about scale would not consider either.

And the same is true for the SD7/9.

For the Santa Fe Fans........................the ATSF SD75

Regards,

Swafford

Well I immensely dislike steam era locomotives, freight cars & transition era locomotives & am looking forward to seeing more scale-size SD70MAC in O-Scale.

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

Overland made the ATSF, BNSF, ON & CN SD75M, UP SD70M & CSX SD70MAC (both with slightly flared radiators) in O-Scale in 2005. I regret missing the opportunity to buy the CSX SD70MAC at that time. If I had known that Overland would be offering another run of the SD70ACe with the same models, I would have bought the SD70MAC instead of the SD70ACe.

I could be wrong but aren’t SD75M & SD70M, 2-feet shorter than the SD70MAC? I have never owned a Sunset / 3^rd Rail model, but I see on this forum that they pay a lot of attention to small details. So that could mean that they need to make models in 2 different lengths if they make SD70M (SD75M) & SD70MAC in the same run.

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

Naveen, you maybe right about the length. I got into a discussion with a guy about which type of cab must be used on each model. He insisted I chose the wrong cab type on one, and should have rounded the corners more. I have only photos to go by and no real experience. I do believe that each RR orders whatever cab is available that meets their wishes and they probably change during the run?

 I also notice rebuilds of engines where the cab gets swapped out for whatever reason, like accidents.

MAC's,

The EMD 70's model, that came with AC traction motors, was "THE" locomotive model I coveted!

With or without the isolated cab. These things oozed rail power.

That era of EMD locomotive traction, worked for me.

Rick

Good Day,

I'm in for the SD70MAC's and SD70M's with the flared radiators. In a 2nd production run .................ATSF SD75. If three cab numbers where offered I'd order three powered engines of each road name below.

BNSF (H2) SD70MAC

NS SD70M flared radiators 

ATSF SD75

Regards,

Swafford

Here is my vote: CN SD70i.  To my knowledge, this has NEVER been correctly done in 3 rail with a fixed pilot and horizontal motor:

2015 would be a great year for the SD70MAC's from Scott Mann!

Regards,

Swafford 

I agree with Hot Water, Id definitely purchase a set of scale SD7/9's in CNW. SD70MAC's are nice but there isnt anything special about them

The SD70 is a beautiful locomotive and personally, I would like to see allot more offerings in highly detailed SD70 macs. I have one SD70Ace in NS Penn Central livery by MTH. This is a Premier locomotive with all the detailing one might expect. Everything from moving fan blades to working ground lights etc, this locomotive is really fantastic. SD70 Macs are numerous, but really detailed ones are far and few in the 0 scale/gauge market.

I have a USA Trains G gauge rendering of the SD70 Mac. It is done in UP livery with the American Flag. Common theme, but really a first rate job by USAT on this particular locomotive. Anyway, I would like to see more done myself, but like one poster pointed out, not everyone cares about what I think should be produced/manufactured/created.

Pete

I disagree with this. They were the big change in modern diesels and started all the AC push, didn't they? (besides the SD60x test beds.)

Out of the Powder river coal basin or somethin' like that????

I will be the first to admit that I may have missed something on the way to catch the train. I have a couple of the early MTH SD-70s which are actually SD-60 bodies painted in the Executive BN Scheme, I checked the bodies against the plans and they are SD-60s not SD-70MACs. Now MTH has produced a newer SD-70M within the last couple of years or so. I purchased a body shell off of the Bay and checked it against scale drawings and it proved to be a SD-70M.

 My point is that if MTH or whoever produced a correct SD-70MAC in plastic would someone bring me up to speed on this offering. My current plan is to use the 60 shell and kit-bash an O Scale version according to plans and article published in RMC concerning an HO version.

   I would like to have BNSF SD-70MACs in all the different paint schemes, the prototypes were my favorite to operate. 

I believe Sunsets future market in plastic diesels will be more 2 rail, based on the FT production which was 400 2 rail and 50 3 rail. It will be interesting to see how the F7 run developes.Most of the 2nd and third generation diesels have already been made by Lionel and MTH in varing degrees of scale for the 3 rail market with limited 2 rail options on some diesels from MTH.In all likelyhood the 2 rail buyers choices will be the deciding in what models get built.JMO

This forum is active enough that you can get a really good indication of interest for such a project.  I have no idea what a SD70 MAC is, but I would be willing to bet money that if five hundred orders were placed with deposits, Scott would bump this project ahead of his planned 3-year production.  I bet he would do it if you simply put the deposits in an escrow account.

I think you are off to a good start - I bet there are more than ten of these spoken for above.

What I find very interesting with this thread, and its cousin over on the two rail forum is not one individual that professes to want SD70MACs / SD70IACs has bothered to pick up the phone and discuss the project with Scott Mann.  Better to have a hobby posting on OGR?

Is the SD70MAC and its successor the SD70IAC relevant.  Sure is, if you model BNSF.  Yea, CSX, TMF and Alaska ended up with a handful of them, but every other single mega railroad passed.  

So you may get about eight variations of paint schemes if you include the BN and BNSF variants.  I don't know specifically how many paint schemes there are on these, as I really don't care.  When I see these things, all I get is Glendive MT nightmares of freezing my arse off, and Alliance flashbacks of Carhenge (I think I still have a pink t-shirt from that visit). 

So Scott will be tooling in plastic for a one hit wonder, and the tooling cost for a narrow carbody unit, with the detail that you guys profess to want, is going to be WAY higher than any F unit.  All the fans will need to be individual moldings / castings.  I'm sure that you guys will want see thru screens by the radiator hatch, DB intake, inverters etc.  Then there are individual handrails, front pilot details, truck details, etc.  Want a flared rad model too?  More cost, different tooling for the cooling hatch. 

Given the cost of the F units, I'd say these would easily fetch over $1,000.00.  

In my opinion, if Scott wanted to do a modern hood unit, he should do the GP40-2 (if you consider 1972 and later as modern ).  Nobody has done that model in O scale, there would be a plethora of road names, and enough variants such as Canadian cabs to further heighten the interest.

What would be interesting is if Scott actually did test the waters and offered the SD70MAC.  Like Bob2 said, ya got maybe 10 orders already, only 490 to go, assuming that a 500 unit production run would get 'er done.  I don't think Scott would get the pre-orders, but I'd sure like to be proven wrong.  

There definitely is a strong market for 1980s to modern era motive power and equipment.  The stuff sells VERY well in HO.  Transition era MP&E is still very popular in both HO and O, but with every passing day, the market gets smaller and smaller.   However, the market in O is SO small, that even if the market keeps expanding, it is still a VERY small market. 

So guys, pick up the phone, talk to Scott, and see what he says.  After all, it is HIS capital at risk.  At least then you will know if this whole wish is a granfalloon or not (thanks MWB for that word, learned something out of the 2 rail thread ).

Regards,

GNNPNUT

Stuck in 1952 in HO, 1953 in O, nuthin' newer than a GP7 or GP9 respectively for me.     

Good Day, I sent an inquiry to Scott this afternoon and below is his reply. I also suggested the GP40-2 which I have campaigned for several years.

Regards,

Frank

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Thank you Frank.

I will consider your ideas. Right now I have several Cab units I am looking to make. Then maybe some more modern.

Scott Mann