You would think some one would have made a scale version of the City of San Francisco. It was a beautiful train. Don
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You have my Vote.YES
Because there's too many people pushing the manufacturers to make more trains in over-exposed, overdone, and over-hyped NYC and Pennsy roadnames. 
Agree John. Found a interesting tid bit about the City of SF.
"City of San Francisco," was intentionally derailed at high speed in northern Nevada by saboteurs who had moved a rail out of alignment. This resulted in a spectacular wreck, claiming the lives of 24 passengers and crew."Don
Scale Rail,
Someone did but it was the next generation train, the big Yellow and Gray Monster is a Williams original, it will not run on anything smaller than 048 track, for real. I put a True Blast Horn in her long ago. The big train took up an entire wall
in the old Iron Horse Train/ Hobby Shop, way back when it 1st put on display. I still own the Williams UP City of San Fran train even today. With the add on there are actually 6 big Cars on this UP Passenger Train, with the poor quality cameras of that era, I could not get the entire train in the picture frame, I could not stand back any further in the store to take the picture.
PCRR/Dave
The Big Williams UP, Yellow & Gray, City of San Fran on display at the Iron Horse Hobby Shop. I purchased the train as Frank took it out of the Boxes and put it on display, Frank ask me to let it on display for a few weeks, so everyone would get a chance to see it, before I took it home. It was the only one Frank could get.
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Don,
You knew the answer before you asked such a question. Don, look at the silly thing for goodness sakes. It's a face that only a mother could love.
God's Blessings,
"Pappy"
Originally Posted by Happy Pappy:
Don, look at the silly thing for goodness sakes. It's a face that only a mother could love.
So does the GG1 but that sells like hotcakes.
John,
You must live out west some place to say something like that about the Gold standard of PRR Electric Engines.
Pappy,
Got to admit the original UP City of San Fran was mother in law ugly, course they made up for it with the 2nd generation.
PCRR/Dave
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
John,
You must live out west some place to say something like that about the Gold standard of PRR Electric Engines.
LOL, one must really be exposed to ugly on a daily basis to think it's pretty. I could probably sleep in the yards along with those GG1s every night growing up and still think the same way I do now. 
But since you brought it up about geographical locations, it must clearly be east coast guys that think a Daylight cab forward is pretty. 
John,
There are those men that think Jane Russell did not inspire great engineering design either. Course they are in the same kind of minority thinkers.
PCRR/Dave
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
John,
There are those men that think Jane Russell did not inspire great engineering design either.
Have yet to have met or know anyone that thought that way. But then, if anyone equates Jane Russel's physical appearance (attributes?) to the GG1 or any other machine for that matter would lend me to conclude a coo-coo bird will pop out of their foreheads shortly after making such an inference.
John,
Buddy you missed the point, big time, or maybe you wanted too. Engineering design is in the eye of the beholder, Jane Russell definitely inspired a serious engineering design that is as famous as the GG1 engineering design and some people actually think it's ugly.
PCRR/Dave
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
John,
Buddy you missed the point, big time, or maybe you wanted too.
PCRR/Dave
The latter.
But still, that GG1 sure aint' no Jane Russel of the train world is it?
John,
I do not think you fully understand what engineering design Jane Russell is responsible for having Howard Hughes designers invent. Both the GG1 and this invention are the most well known of their kind. Cross my heart.
PCRR/Dave
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
John,
I do not think you fully understand what engineering design Jane Russell is responsible for having Howard Hughes designers invent. Both the GG1 and this invention are the most well known of their kind. Cross my heart.
PCRR/Dave
I know full well what Howard Huges designed for Jane Russel; hence the "attribute" reference.
Now on the latter comment, you referred to the GG1 amongst the most well known. That's not the same as saying it's pretty.
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Happy Pappy:
Don, look at the silly thing for goodness sakes. It's a face that only a mother could love.
So does the GG1 but that sells like hotcakes.
John, as much as it Pains me to admit it, we do agree on at least one thing
Doug
That first gen City of San Francisco is a pretty cool example of Art Deco. Maybe 3rd Rail could be lobbied to build it.
The 1930's version of the Union Pacific M10004 streamliner is the one being asked about for production. This is the one with the distinct style.
A view of the Union Pacific streamliner, City of Denver on a Chicago Curve. 
Here is the Union Pacific and Chicago & North Western City of Denver from the other side.
Another view of the City of San Francisco Union Pacific streamliner train.
In living color...
That train is incredible, I never knew it existed, this is the first time I have ever seen one, I would love to have one! Choo Choo Kenny
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
Pappy,
Got to admit the original UP City of San Fran was mother in law ugly, course they made up for it with the 2nd generation.
PCRR/Dave
Dave,
The ugly grows on you after a while, however, I must agree about the 2nd generation.
"Pappy"
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
John,
There are those men that think Jane Russell did not inspire great engineering design either.
Have yet to have met or know anyone that thought that way. But then, if anyone equates Jane Russel's physical appearance (attributes?) to the GG1 or any other machine for that matter would lend me to conclude a coo-coo bird will pop out of their foreheads shortly after making such an inference.
Guys, he is not coo-coo. The reference is to Jane Russel being the subject used in a Howard Hughes detailed analysis of how to build a better bra, which he did. You can go to wikipedia and read about her and Hughes. He invented the underwire push up bra, engineering it to do its job well (which it did, spectacularly).
It is one of the great engineering projects of all time, and any engineer should think about it, and particularly how it just confirms the many advantages one gets from taking up engineering as a profession.
Originally Posted by falconservice:
The 1930's version of the Union Pacific M10004 streamliner is the one being asked about for production. This is the one with the distinct style.
This train is awesome! I don't get those that don't like it, no account for taste. 
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Comes close but know where close to scale. Don
Originally Posted by Lee Willis:
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
John,
There are those men that think Jane Russell did not inspire great engineering design either.
There are those men that think Jane Russell did not inspire great engineering design either.
Have yet to have met or know anyone that thought that way. But then, if anyone equates Jane Russel's physical appearance (attributes?) to the GG1 or any other machine for that matter would lend me to conclude a coo-coo bird will pop out of their foreheads shortly after making such an inference.
It is one of the great engineering projects of all time, and any engineer should think about it, and particularly how it just confirms the many advantages one gets from taking up engineering as a profession.
Like I said previously, I already knew of the association of Jane Russel and inspired engineering. The coo coo bird reference was within the specific context of visual appeal of locomotives (or lack thereof) brought up early in the thread and the subsequent comparing the title locomotive and the GG1 and why one would sell over the other.
Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by falconservice:
The 1930's version of the Union Pacific M10004 streamliner is the one being asked about for production. This is the one with the distinct style.
This train is awesome! I don't get those that don't like it, no account for taste.
Completely agree! I think this engine looks incredible - unique and classy. If somebody produced one, I would not be able to resist!
Overland models made a beautiful HO model brass of course, back in the 90s-----Mark
Hmmm..."over-hyped NYC and Pennsy roadnames???"
C'mon you westerners, and by that, I mean anyone west of the Hudson River, you find that streamliner good looking!? My steam switchers look like Jane Russel compared to that!
Tom
Tom, get a grip, That is class right there! and Jane!
Well, you know those guys in the east!
Yes, but can 3rd Rail build a COSF that lifts and separates like the Howard Hughes invention?
I actually like the early version the best--it's ugly, but charming...just like me.
Jeff C
I guess. But, my poor Pennsy must have been scrambling to find porthole windows for all of its cabin cars due to the number used in this streamliner!
Tom
Where is this shop???
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
Scale Rail,
Someone did but it was the next generation train, the big Yellow and Gray Monster is a Williams original, it will not run on anything smaller than 048 track, for real. I put a True Blast Horn in her long ago. The big train took up an entire wall
in the old Iron Horse Train/ Hobby Shop, way back when it 1st put on display. I still own the Williams UP City of San Fran train even today. With the add on there are actually 6 big Cars on this UP Passenger Train, with the poor quality cameras of that era, I could not get the entire train in the picture frame, I could not stand back any further in the store to take the picture.
PCRR/Dave
The Big Williams UP, Yellow & Gray, City of San Fran on display at the Iron Horse Hobby Shop. I purchased the train as Frank took it out of the Boxes and put it on display, Frank ask me to let it on display for a few weeks, so everyone would get a chance to see it, before I took it home. It was the only one Frank could get.
I wish they didn't make the likes in pink hearts! oh oh hope I didn't start another controversy again!
Pine creek, that',s not a M10005 thats an E6--Mark
Well I really don't know what that is in the picture!
