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Just curious, but what percentage of operators run on 0-31 tubular or 0-36 Fastrack? 

 

I'm curious as to why Lionel (primarily) seems to mount undersized pilot wheels on many of their otherwise excellent scale steam locomotives? I'm thinking that most purchasers of these handsome steamers would want to have the pilot wheels match the rest of their locomotives in scale appearance. Not all purchasers will run their prizes but many will. Of these operators how many run the tight curves?

 

Why would Lionel not equip the locomotives with a scale pilot as standard and perhaps offer the smaller one for operators who needed them as the option? I realize that Lionel did offer a scale pilot with some of their scale steamers over the years but why not mount the scale one as standard?

 

Even today, some of their steamers appear to still have undersized pilot wheel sets. Ex is the latest NYC Mohawk whose wheels appear (to me) as undersized...

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Since my foot print is 4'x20' and I run Fastrack I was frustrated that 48" doesn't fit on the the 4'.. but I have set up an easement of 1/2 36; 48; 1/2 36; 48; 1/2 36; 48 ;1/2 36 which fits nicely. I have been inspired by Larry3railtrains layout and will be posting more over on the layout forum. Here is what I have so far..

 

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The upper loop on my layout is all 36" curves except for two pieces of 48" that I had to use to make it fit.  I run locos up there - originally only BEEPS but now smaller Premier like this 2-8-0: I like the look and I like the fact that it has cruise so it does not speed up and slow down as it climbs/descends from one level of the over and under loop to another.  Lionchief Plus locos work well on it, too. 

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As to the small pilot wheels on many scale locos, I'm not sure.  Not that I look at it, you may have a point.  I'm not concerned about it, and I have tried to both wonder why they do it, if they do (looks like maybe they do . . .) and if I like it.  I concluded:

- they probably do it because they need the space: even an extra 1/8 inch up front could be previous when you ahve to fit the pilot truck mechanism under a smoke unit, etc., and then . . . 

- it may make the locos look better.  Big pilot wheels would make the drivers look less overwhelmingly the thing about the loco.  Maybe people like that.  I have to think about this. 

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Any small room layout with any amount of track on it will have to use the tight radius curves. While mine is 9 x 7 feet it has so much track on it that it needs RealTrax O-31 track in places.

 

I suspect the pilot and trailing engine wheels are small to allow the engines wheel clearance. I have had to modified some MTH rolling stock rated for O-31 for undercarriage clearances. O-31 curves are not very good looking but these are TOY TRAINS not SCALE TRAINS. Liberties have to be taken to allow the tight radius curves required so a decent layout can be made on a 4 x 8 feet sheet of plywood which is probably the most common O gauge layout.

 

LDBennett

I'm limited to a 6x9 layout. I use Fastrack- my two main lines use larger radius curves (0-60 for the outer and 0-48 for the inner) but I do have 0-36 on my elevated line (small loop in my mountain scene). I use some 0-36 switches and some curves in my yard/industrial area. I even have an 0-31 curve in my yard. No choice because of space. My TMCC 4-6-6-4 Challenger never ventures into that part of the yard (even though supposedly it could). 

I have a dedicated layout for the Polar Express in O-36. On my main layout I have an O-36 loop (36" X 9') that I run the "Peanuts" 0-8-0 with 3 "Peanuts" Passenger cars. As you all know, the Polar Express comes with the O-36 track and Atlas track (which is all I have on the main layout) offers both O-27 & O-36. I chose O-36 because it was the largest diameter I had room for.

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O-31 Tubular track + O-22 switches.  One mainline curve at corner of my layout is O-42

 Most of my equipment is Post War.  I have one modern Lionel 0-8-0.  Everything runs well  - except my 2500 Series aluminum passenger cars do not like the reverse curve located at the upper right reverse loop shown here on my track plan.   But they sure look nice behind my Santa Fe A-B-A F Units on my display shelf above the layout.

 


Steve

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So far we have a 100% response of tight turn operators. I was asking for some opinions as to what percentage of each we have here.

With more and more layout builders seemingly trying for more sweeping curves and the like, I would hope that Lionel will equip their premium locomotives with proper sized pilot wheels and offer a smaller set for those who ask for them!

Originally Posted by c.sam:

So far we have a 100% response of tight turn operators. I was asking for some opinions as to what percentage of each we have here.

With more and more layout builders seemingly trying for more sweeping curves and the like, I would hope that Lionel will equip their premium locomotives with proper sized pilot wheels and offer a smaller set for those who ask for them!

c.sam:  aren't there some larger locos that come with both sets of pilot trucks?

I run O27 and O36.  I just don't have the room for those nice sweeping curves.  To do that I have to go for a ceiling layout.

 
Originally Posted by Larry3railtrains:

My small bedroom layout is all 0-36. Previous around the wall layout was 0-31 and 0-42

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Question, are all your switches O36 too?  And what are the dimensions of your main table?

I've NEVER had a layout where I've gone over 0-42 curves. Usually 0-31 and 0-42 but I've grown to like 0-27 - most Railking and Lionel semi-scale engines and cars run fine around 0-27 and Ross switches work great with 0-27. 

 

Here is my current layout, a modest 4x8. 0-42 on the outside, 0-27 on the inside. Ross 0-31 switches. :

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My previous layout. It started life as a 4x8 and when I tore it down (something I regret doing a bit), measured at 8x8. 0-27 on the top loop and some sidings, bottom was a mix of 0-42 and 0-31. 

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Bob:
 
The layout began years ago as a "cookie cutter" HO plan that I recently demolished and I used the existing benchwork for a new "permanent" O guage layout for display of our various Department 56 buildings and my two trains.  Great for my grandchildren to watch and easy for them to operate as well.
 
A more detailed plan with the village details is attached.
 
The side with the tunnel is 11'-6" long.  The "flat" side is a little over 10 feet long.
 
The widest points for the larger curves are 5'-0" deep.  I have provided three access hatches and a cut out in the side of the tunnel for access.
 
If I had it to do over, I would have created more of a "U" shaped layout in order to minimize the required access hatches as this "duck under" layout is a "pain" to work on when putting in buildings and scenery.
Originally Posted by HMorgan125:

My current Christmas layout has Fastrack 036 curves on the inner reversing loops.

 

The outside curves are 048.

 

Layout is attached.

What is the overall size of your layout?  It looks pretty cool.

 

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Originally Posted by HMorgan125:
Bob:
 
The layout began years ago as a "cookie cutter" HO plan that I recently demolished and I used the existing benchwork for a new "permanent" O guage layout for display of our various Department 56 buildings and my two trains.  Great for my grandchildren to watch and easy for them to operate as well.
 
A more detailed plan with the village details is attached.
 
The side with the tunnel is 11'-6" long.  The "flat" side is a little over 10 feet long.
 
The widest points for the larger curves are 5'-0" deep.  I have provided three access hatches and a cut out in the side of the tunnel for access.
 
If I had it to do over, I would have created more of a "U" shaped layout in order to minimize the required access hatches as this "duck under" layout is a "pain" to work on when putting in buildings and scenery.
Originally Posted by HMorgan125:

My current Christmas layout has Fastrack 036 curves on the inner reversing loops.

 

The outside curves are 048.

 

Layout is attached.

What is the overall size of your layout?  It looks pretty cool.

 

Thanks for the info.  By the way, I have a Dickens Chapel (picture attached).  If you would be interested in it, I would be glad to ship it to you for the shipping cost only.  

 

Bob Severin

 

 

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Originally Posted by Larry3railtrains:

My small bedroom layout is all 0-36. Previous around the wall layout was 0-31 and 0-42

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Larry,

 

That looks just about what I have now on my new Mianne bench work that I have finally got around to getting and doing something with. I have a couple passing sidings on the far side and Spurs on the closest side. I don't have the extra passing siding you have n the near side. Now I want to add some reversing loops, probably will make a figure 8 in the middle, but that messes up my spurs. I guess nothing's prefect?

 

 

Originally Posted by c.sam:

So far we have a 100% response of tight turn operators. I was asking for some opinions as to what percentage of each we have here.

With more and more layout builders seemingly trying for more sweeping curves and the like, I would hope that Lionel will equip their premium locomotives with proper sized pilot wheels and offer a smaller set for those who ask for them!

Right now I have a 6' x 16' table with plans to expand it by at least that much again when budget permits (CFO wants some new furniture and MTH has fleeced me badly with the last few catalogs).

 

I currently have 2 loops using Atlas track (similar to Larry3railtrains' above, only with 2 loops and a bit larger). Outer is O-63 and inner is O-54. Switches are all Atlas and I currently have both O-72 and O-54. I am leaning toward going with all O-54 switches and selling my O-72's. I have been able to maintain more consistent track centers with the O-54's.

 

I have no steamers and none are planned in the future, all modern diesels. The O-54 switches would be all I would ever need, as most modern diesels are O-54 and less. No Centipedes or anything like that are planned either. I currently have some MTH RailKing, but am now leaning mostly toward MTH Premier and Lionel Scale for future purchases. I have been amazed at how much space this eats up and just how very quickly it dis-appears. However, I wouldn't have any other scale, O is it for me.

I have about 446 sq foot of actual layout in a 550 sq foot area in my basement. There is about 750 foot of track between 3 main lines, a 8 rail yard, turntable, train shed, 5 round Helix and several sidings, all O36 curves and switches (Atlas track). I run mostly MTH Imperial steam and whatever Premier engines that work on O36.

Dan

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