Indy Show

If you see a Car and Locomotive Shops Virginian Trainmaster let me know!!!

Ken

I can do that.  How to reach you by email?

OH YEAH!  

 

Can't wait to see what's available!

Don't worry fellows, all the good stuff will be sold before the show opens.

Stephen

I also am looking for a VGN Car & Locomotive Shop TrainMaster. Value about $3000 plus!!!! Stephen

Rumor is fifteen were done.    Kbry (yahoo handle) sold two to Japan.   I have one...  Know of two others....   That leaves ten possible pieces to locate .

 

 

i have a RDG train master..  It could be stripped and painted.....   Just an option

Actually Bryan is K27bry and he posts here on occasion. 

I missed TM1 and TM2 demos. Hopefully someday Sunset will do them.

Right on this one all the serious collectors/buyers have usually picked from these collections before they ever hit the meets. Not to say you might not find what you are looking for,I would not expect the really rare models to still be available.

What is rare for one guy is just run of the mill for another.   

 

There is always a chance the things you are looking for will be there.

Most people seem to run out of money before the models are gone.  

You guys are right...you should stay home and not go to the show...Sure everything has been gone through anyhow...nothing of interest there...

 

I'll let you know what's left...

Easily done in todays high end brass market for most of us.JMO

Does anyone have any credible specific knowledge on what is in these 7 collections or is this just marketing hype?

 

I hope so......even only so that will feed more grousing on the internet,

 

Not being a collector, the only real interest I have  in such stuff is just seeing it - although, no one really knows just what will be there anyway.

 

So, I'll be there and I'm not really looking for anything in the way of engines or rolling stock - might be as many as 5 items that I'd even think about buying.  I'm going for detail parts and the usual shopping bag of small "stuff".  Might bring a tub o' "stuff" to sell as well.

 

In any case, please do stop by the OST table/display and say hello.  I'll have a few boxes of back issues of OST available at a discounted price for this show so you can fill out those missing from your library.

 

See you there!

Maybe not all of the stuff but the stuff that is rare and priced reasonable.

 

The "collectable" stuff that is priced reasonable is gotten by vultures before everyone elase gets a chance anyway.

With multiple estates scheduled there should still be a good amount of "must haves" available. 

 

In my experience, estates get picked over commencing with the wake. That is just the nature of estate trains. 

 

I'm looking forward to a great Indy show.

Always interesting in these postings that nobody mentions when or where this show will be held?

Just Google the Forum- 2 rail scale and the topic Indy show

Most of the time the dealers collude and swap stuff among themselves.  Then, when the doors open, a lot of stuff is still there, at double what the original seller got for it.

 

One time I watched an 80 year old hobbyist sell his magazine collection. A dime each.  So the guy with the table facing his bought them all, moved them across the aisle, and right in front of the old guy started selling them at 25 cents each.  Absolutely nothing illegal about that, and maybe not even impolite, but it sort of turned my stomach.

Only been advertised for 6 months on the internet, print magazines, and also as a Forum sponsor.

 

http://www.indyoscalenational.com/

The old timers finally have to lighten the load.  It isn't the younger modelers who have been piling up these huge collections.  Same thing happening with farm tractor collectors. Market prices won't cover the cost of restoration.  Sofue built 14,000 engines for Max Gray.  Some went back to Japan and else where, the rest are still in existence.  Should be interesting to see how this works out.  A good quail dog lets the quail out of the log one at a time, not all at once!

I believe the show they are talking about is Sept 11 and 12 in Indianapolis somewhere. 

Are you talking 14K total production for KTM Japan or just Max Gray, if so how many went to USH then Westside/PSC before Sofue started building on his own for high end buyers. Just curious.

Probably should have put it "14,000 engines by Sofue".  Don't know how many went to such and such.

It is silly to say that the location of this has not been mentioned.   It has been on websites for over 6 months I think and in the magazines since the last one a year ago.

 

Just look for "O Scale national Convention" or Indianapolis O Scale show.  

 

What is Sofue?    I thought KTM built most for MG and USH.   I have seen a few with "Toby" listed as the builder, all MG.

I believe Mr K. Sofue was the chief engineer/lead craftsman/foreman for KTM brass models design and building. With the demise of the US market for KTM he started his own shop and produced limited run models for a select clientele, he passed away in 2009,his models still show up occasionally at the O scale meets in their distinctive wooden cases at some serious prices. I am sure someone can add more accurate information to this post.

This is hilarious!  Page back through the above posts and people refuse to post the times and dates of this show!  IT IS OUR SECRET MEET AND WE ARE KEEPING IT TO OURSELVES!  My bet is the promoter wants every stray HO or N or whatever train

fan to spring for admission and support the show.  I think everybody near Indy who

is at all interested in trains and who might want to see something they won't see in

the vanish(ed-ing) LHS's, should be welcome to the show.  It is not that O scale cannot stand a few converts. 

No, YOU are the one who is hilarious.  If you REALLY paged back through the posts, you'd have seen Martin's (mwb) direct reply to your first "where is it?" post in which he provided the link to the convention website:

Only been advertised for 6 months on the internet, print magazines, and also as a Forum sponsor.

 

http://www.indyoscalenational.com/

Of course you would have needed to click on the link, but we know you find it more fun to go on one of your rants... 

It' not the collections that are problems.

 

It's the absurd prices some folks (and dealers) want.  This drives up the cost to play for those who want to (someday) run their trains.

 

Like I always say when someone asks an absurd price - they're brass, not gold.

As others have said, this show has been advertised not only in our publication, The O Scale Resource, and O Scale Trains but the Indy show also has it's own Website.

I don't have any inside information as to the collections for sale however can think of a few possibilities.

Amy and I will be there representing The O Scale Resource on-line magazine. Stop by and say hello!

There are no fairness police in a free and open society.  We are free to ask ridiculous prices if we want.  The purchaser is then free to decline to buy.  I think the model train market is ticking along exactly as it should, with some prices half or less from where they were in 1995.

 

Take, for example, the really nice Max Gray AC-4 Cab Forward that hit four grand.  You cannot sell good ones today for $1200.  The supply of really good brass is up, and the number of codgers willing to spring for a grand worth of locomotive is down.  Just the way a free market should work.

 

The strange thing - here I am defending free markets, when, as the token liberal, I usually advocate for much tighter controls on corporations and Wall Street.

Yup!  And this is why we see the same guys with the same brass on their tables year after year....

Then there's people like us... I priced my PSC hopper right at Chicago and you took it off my hands. 

And then the guy that got mad because I didn't offer perpetual adoration for his overpriced OMI panel side hopper went home with his overpriced car and I got the same car off fleabay a month later for just under 2/3rds of the price he "would take" and both the seller and I got a good deal. 

 

Lookin forward to Indy!

When I sold my HO collection I priced it very fairly which was way below retail.  One person tried to get me to accept way less, finally on a piece marked $35 he said $25 and I responded $45 so he walked off.  About an hour left I had 1 engine of about 20 engines left so when he walked by he didn't say a word just laid $35 down, picked up the piece and kept walking. 

If you price it fairly it will probably sell, if you don't like the price don't buy it but don't complain when someone else will.  There is always a lot of junk and over priced items at any show but there is always something there at a fair price, it's whether it is what you are looking for or not.  Just enjoy the show and the people there.  Remember you are lucky enough to go while there are others like myself that can't make it.

 

There was one here -  the owner brought it to sell to another fellow who was also at the show... asking price was was almost 3 grand.  

Were there really 7 "collections" there?

P&D Hobbies and Des Plaines Hobbies are heading to INDY.

The seller had he waited could have made another grand from me!

Stephen

It was on a table then it magically disappeared!  I talked to the table holder (new owner) and he said that a friend of his had it and finally agreed to part with it. 

Beautiful loco.

 

And it's new owner has quite a fleet of Harry Bultmann/C&LS stuff.  No luck in getting him to part with TM1/TM2 or PRR TMs for me.