Info on Lionel Scale Pacifics from 2001?

Cannot locate a 2001 catalog to see further info on these pacifics - must assume they produced other road names?

Have seen a B&O 'President' model that may be related..    Any help appreciated.    Thanks

I had a Lionel TMCC Union Pacific 4-6-2 Pacific that was produced in the early 2000s, but traded it up for another locomotive. It had die cast trucks, engine and tender, and I really liked its steam whistle in the standard size die-cast tender. It was also an excellent runner and puller, but the smoke was a little weak. Don't know if this helps.

Sam, the Pacific you purchased is scale length.  Not the same as the one Yellowstone pictured above.  Also, it will use a different boiler casting than the K4 because only that Pennsy loco had a squared-off Belpaire boiler above the firebox.

What I remember about Lionel's "scale" Pacifics is that most of them are indeed too long in the firebox area.  That's both good and bad.  It's bad if you're a stickler for scale fidelity.  It's good if you like big Pittman 9434 motors, because that's most likely why they made the boilers longer in the first place!  (MTH's Premier Pacifics, including their K4, made do with a Pittman 9433 motor that's one size shorter.)

The only exception to this rule that I know of, is the Lionel 6-11334 Southern Crescent, which had the smaller and often-maligned Canon FN38 motor.  Somehow that loco is shorter than the others, and it looks about right to my eyes.  Lionel's 6-38025 "K4-and-a-half", the Blue Comets, Chicago and Altons that were catalogued with the 'Crescent, and probably your 2001 Erie all looked longer than scale the last time I set eyes on them.  My $.02.

Also- the latest K4s are based on former K-Line tooling.  They were shorter and better proportioned.  Unfortunately they also use a small motor leaning forward into the boiler, and are prone to developing gearbox issues.  There's a thread 11+ pages long discussing this!

The TMCC Erie and B&O pacifics are more or less based on USRA Heavy Pacifics but may be a tad oversize. The Pacifics that Lionel released a few years ago use the same casting. As Ted points out they have a big Pittman and two chuffs. Easily upgraded though.

Pete

Fwiw, I pulled the 2001 volume 1 catalog out.  Here is the info on the Pacifics.

Standard stuff for the time with TMCC, odyssey with 32 speed steps, Railsounds 4.0 with 2 chuffs per revolution and basic crewtalk/towercom (“You are clear for departure” when hitting button 7 and unintelligible chatter when hitting button 2).  Also of note is that it has a fan driven smoke unit but Lionel didn’t have synchronized smoke until later, so it doesn’t “chuff”.  It just stays constant.

Thank you all very much. She just arrived an hour ago and I'll post some pics later this evening when I get back home. Interesting that the catalog (above) and the Lionel Archive page both show it as 26" in length. I measured from the pilot to the rear of the tender and it is but 22". To my surprise, the boiler cab from the rear of the headlight to the lip of the cab is 13" exactly the same as my K-Line scale Hudson.

This ERIE model has a surprisingly good level of detail for Lionel 2001. Especially the nice feedwater heater.

I like what you said Woody about the 'indistinct cab chatter' as I really don't care for  the radio in any steam locomotive.

You’ll find these era of locomotives to be built like tanks Sam!……solid build quality…..a few upgrades including good cruise down the road, & I’ll quote my buddy Pete, Legacy, Schmegacy, phooey!!…I’ll take durability with cruise any day of the week over whistle steam and more speed steps ….

Pat