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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/0...ains-airplanes.html?

It shows the tradeoffs of flying versus trains and shows that it very much depends on distance and also on the nature of the rail/air links in terms of total commute time and of course price. This obviously uses train service as it exists today, the dynamics would be different obviously if we had more true high speed links for example. One argument I have for targeting train service improvement where rail today is competitive with air travel is that with rail, there is more upside for both rail and air travel in those places. If there are more people taking the train, for example, on the northeast corridor then that means airports could allow more longer distance flights where rail isn't competitive, as one example.

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I take Metrolink to commute to work. The trip takes about 90 minutes and $21.50 (round trip) from boarding the train at Irvine Station and sitting in my uncomfortable government-spec office chair. In contrast, the commute by car takes about 20 minutes more, but costs me five gallons of California-priced fuel ($3.90/gal) plus $20.00 for parking. The train saves me about $18, plus stress, plus the additional mileage cost involved in driving. Short trips with a few dozen of your closest friends do tend to pay off for trains, but long distance seems to favor travel by air.

Tom Tee posted:

My choice is usually between auto and air.  After  taking a beating with United and American AGAIN! for my trip from PHL to Indy I will reconsider driving.  Train only works for me when I run into NYC or DC, otherwise it is an excess expenditure of time and money IME.

That is basically what the article is saying, that train travel depends on where you are traveling as well as personal preference. There are those who like that the flight from NYC to Boston is like 50 minutes or so, and don't really count the time to get from the airport to the city, the security lines, having to be there early part of the trip, but would hate to be on a train for 4 hours or whatever...user preference plays a role as much as the end to end trip time. 

My take on it is that we need to look at train travel and figure out what makes sense. While I think that long distance train travel will always have fans, mostly people travelling for leisure and to unwind rather than "getting there", and that intermediate travel on long distance trains has value as well (ie those going from point B to Point E on a trip going from A to Z), it would make sense to put more resources into the lines of let's say under 300 miles that can be competitive with airline travel and also would be beneficial to it in pulling pressure off air traffic control and airports. In theory if we ever had true high speed rail with dedicated tracks and speed like they get in Europe even longer trips >300 miles could be practical, but that obviously is a much bigger ballgame, probably would be better at the moment to focus on the shorter routes that already show their importance in terms of making them better (and improving other <300 mile zones that suffer from crowded and poor track conditions that otherwise might be practical). 

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