So I missed the memo on these too. I was burned by Daylight passenger cars. I wonder if these will be new from the ground up cars or existing molds just painted up in ATSF silver.
21" diner
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If these were to be assembled at the recently closed factory it might be awhile.
Nice find. FWIW, apart from the full length dome diner, the catalog illustrations look a lot like the first run of 21” ABS cars - especially the vista dome and baggage cars. Of course the reliability of Lionel catalog illustrations is suspect but I would not expect Lionel to produce entirely new moulds for these cars.
BTW, GGD has just announced a new run of aluminum Santa Fe passenger cars, the 1938-1947 Super Chief in an 8 car set. Like the Lionel cars they are said to be modeled on Budd prototypes. This is so new it’s not on the GGD website yet; I heard about it via the 3rd Rail newsletter.
Considerable price difference compared to Lionel but you get what you pay for.
Well, there is another 2-pack listed on the Lionel website:
http://www.lionel.com/products...ar-2-pack-1-1927020/
And that illustration shows a coach and diner. It is good that there are more cars, because you need at least one diner and the regular dome car would not fit in with the full dome car. The cars illustrated are all Budd cars with correct names and numbers, except for the regular dome car. The Santa Fe regular dome cars were Pullman built, not Budd. The Budd full dome that was just delivered in Reading Northern is pretty much spot on for a Santa Fe big dome (even better if they add the breaker bars in front and back of the big dome). So, I am hopeful that this will be a fairly accurate complete 8 car set (baggage, 2 coaches, diner, big dome, 2 sleepers, observation), leaving out the regular dome car. It would be nice if they offered another diner instead of the regular dome, because there would be a diner for the coach passengers and a separate one for the sleeper passengers on the prototype trains. But this could be a pretty accurate shortened version of the mid-1950's San Francisco Chief (with the nice look of an added observation car), and maybe some other Santa Fe named passenger trains.
I'd bet these show up in the catalog next week.
Hopefully, we see something like this:
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"BTW, GGD has just announced a new run of aluminum Santa Fe passenger cars, the 1938-1947 Super Chief in an 8 car set. Like the Lionel cars they are said to be modeled on Budd prototypes. This is so new it’s not on the GGD website yet; I heard about it via the 3rd Rail newsletter."
Not to pick a nit, but the Santa Fe cars have been on the Golden Gate Depot site for some time, along with the Milwaukee Road cars. The NP and B&O cars are recent additions (I think).
So, get your reservations in the project has been out there a long time and I would hate to see it cancelled due to low reservations.
Charlie
JTRAIN,
Lionel's tooling for regular dome is not a decent representation of the Pullman regular dome car (500) offered in the 21" Passenger Car 2 Pack #2?
Otherwise, it sounds like the Lionel tooling adequately represents Budd build passenger cars? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I am very interested in this set, but I am even more interested in accuracy to the prototype. Based on the web page (and that is not reliable) it looks like the cars offered are as follows.
| Lionel SKU | Name/Number | Type | Builder |
| 1927010 | 3513 | Baggage | Budd |
| 3136???? | ? | ? | |
| Pine Gorge | 10-6 Sleeper | Budd | |
| Navajo | Sleeper-Observation | Budd | |
| 1927020 | 3139 | 52 Seat Chair Car | Budd |
| 1489 | Diner | Budd | |
| 1927030 | 550 | Big Dome-Lounge & Crew Dormitory | Budd |
| 1927040 | Pine Bell | 10-6 Sleeper | Budd |
| 500 | Dome-Lounge | Pullman |
Their vista dome tooling is sort of kind of based on a Budd dome. The window configurations are right, but the overall shape of the curves and stuff aren't quite right. The full dome is spot on for a Budd Big Dome.
Hancock52 posted:Nice find. FWIW, apart from the full length dome diner, the catalog illustrations look a lot like the first run of 21” ABS cars - especially the vista dome and baggage cars. Of course the reliability of Lionel catalog illustrations is suspect but I would not expect Lionel to produce entirely new moulds for these cars.
BTW, GGD has just announced a new run of aluminum Santa Fe passenger cars, the 1938-1947 Super Chief in an 8 car set. Like the Lionel cars they are said to be modeled on Budd prototypes. This is so new it’s not on the GGD website yet; I heard about it via the 3rd Rail newsletter.
Considerable price difference compared to Lionel but you get what you pay for.
Darn Tootin! If the Amtrak set was a gauge- chances are the windows may all not be correct on the Lionel set as well as the fluting.
Want accuracy and quality- go GGD! Want to take a chance- get Lionel- possible 30% failure rate right out of the box!
T4TT posted:JTRAIN,
Lionel's tooling for regular dome is not a decent representation of the Pullman regular dome car (500) offered in the 21" Passenger Car 2 Pack #2?Otherwise, it sounds like the Lionel tooling adequately represents Budd build passenger cars? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I am very interested in this set, but I am even more interested in accuracy to the prototype. Based on the web page (and that is not reliable) it looks like the cars offered are as follows.
Lionel SKU Name/Number Type Builder 1927010 3513 Baggage Budd 3136???? ? ? Pine Gorge 10-6 Sleeper Budd Navajo Sleeper-Observation Budd 1927020 3139 52 Seat Chair Car Budd 1489 Diner Budd 1927030 550 Big Dome-Lounge & Crew Dormitory Budd 1927040 Pine Bell 10-6 Sleeper Budd 500 Dome-Lounge Pullman
Based on the illustrations, it looks like you could put together a pretty accurate shortened version of the San Francisco Chief with those cars. The Budd "regular" dome is not accurate for Santa Fe, but the full dome is. All of the other cars would be accurate for the prototype, except for the observation car, since the San Francisco Chief normally did not run with one, but the Budd observation "Navajo" was a Santa Fe car, and it could conceivably have been run on the San Francisco Chief, at least it would look good. I think it might have been an 80' car (20" scale length). The only thing missing would be a couple of other types of sleepers, but they would be pullman built (different side corrugations and smooth roofs, so different tooling).
Hancock52 posted:Nice find. FWIW, apart from the full length dome diner, the catalog illustrations look a lot like the first run of 21” ABS cars - especially the vista dome and baggage cars. Of course the reliability of Lionel catalog illustrations is suspect but I would not expect Lionel to produce entirely new moulds for these cars.
BTW, GGD has just announced a new run of aluminum Santa Fe passenger cars, the 1938-1947 Super Chief in an 8 car set. Like the Lionel cars they are said to be modeled on Budd prototypes. This is so new it’s not on the GGD website yet; I heard about it via the 3rd Rail newsletter.
Considerable price difference compared to Lionel but you get what you pay for.
GGD was taking pre-orders for these last year. At York last November I was told they were 50% toward build numbers. Please join. Pricey, but will look beautiful with the recent Legacy Fs.
