K-Line K3380-1361CC Manual

It does have a R2LC08 Board in the engine

Right now this thing is looking like a shelf Queen... which is not what I want

I don't have a manual, you could try code 4 or 7.

Bill

I think it's a bit early to give up, it can certainly be made to function.  My first stop if a reset doesn't fix it would be to check all the wiring, connector and card seating, etc.

I have checked all the wires and reseated all the boards... now which reset do I do first and also I have found 2 different reset procedures which one do I do  and which steps do I follow

Look here,

http://www.lionel.com/ForTheHo...oreTMCCfunctions.pdf

Use whichever one, just check all operations after doing the re-programming.

Bill

I had the same problem but I had one to compare. My issue was not the electronics but the value gears and cranks on the side. These were poorly designed and jam. Remove them and try your engine. I bet the engine will run. Maybe remove the motor and see if the wheels roll freely.  Mine bent to the point of not being usable. I was lucky to find parts, years and years ago.

It's usually pretty obvious if the rods are binding, you'll see evidence of attempted movement.  An easy way to check is with the shell off, spin the flywheel and see if you have any mechanical issues.  Best to sit it on the track for this test, that way it works just as it would under power.

Yes, the flywheel spins freely.. I tried another reset and it lurched forward it does everything except moves

this thing has cruise control.. and so I think the reset of the cruise control is needed

K-line manuals are worthless for this kind of problem. Don

Try this.  These are some tips I have gathered and created a single file for.

Thank you GunRunner, I tried all combinations it still doesn't want to work..

this one might just end up as scrap or Shelf Queen

You can get someone to look at it, I'm sure it's recoverable.

Probably something as simple as removing the K-Line Cruise and installing a ERR Cruise commander "M".

Bill

John & Bill,

I recently purchased a K-Line Cruise Control update kit.  It contained a new motor with small, attached, IR ckt board, the MDK090 updated motor driver board, a new cable assy, a 'ScotchLock' connector, 2 nylon zip ties, 4 screws, 4 nuts and an instruction phamplet.

After speaking with Matt about his issue, I re-read the instruction manual and it says NOTHING about having to reprogram anything once the new parts have been installed.  Perhaps there was an addendum sheet that was left out of my kit.  I read somewhere on the Forum that if you do not 'tell' the R2LC that cruise control has been added; everything will work on the converted locomotive however, IT WILL NOT MOVE, which is the case with Matt's locomotive.

John, your compiled K-Line TMCC programming Tips PDF reiterates this 'NO MOVE' comment on the bottom of page 3.

It seems there should be a number of programming steps involved here if Matt decides to do a factory reset to clear out the cobwebs.  My question would be: In what sequence should these reprogramming sequences be done?

Could you make a step by step list for us?

Best,

Dave

Like I said, I compiled these from a number of sources, I haven't actually tried all of them.  I will say that I have a couple of engines with the K-Line cruise, and I did reset one when I had problems with these instructions.

The reset mentions not running in conventional mode if it's configured incorrectly, but it sounds like he's running in command mode, or at least trying to.  You can't trigger couplers in conventional mode.

I have tried both conventional and TMCC neither will move her.. but I do test all the functions as well in TMCC

Guess I'll just put her back in the box and put her on the shelf with a DNR sticker

I'll give you 50 bucks for it.

Seriously, it's a shame to give up, I'm sure it can be fixed.

These guys did work on K-line. They bought out all the old parts. You might try them. Don

O Gauge

 

 

Ok... I'm back to troubleshooting this beast... I got a CW-80 out and I get everything except loco motion...

I'd probably swap the R2LC with a known working one, just to eliminate that.  The K-Line cruise uses the serial data to trigger motion, so a single bad connection could cause what you see, everything but motion.  Another close look at the wiring might be in order.

well it looks like I bricked it now I got no sounds and no motion while trying to program it with codes..

Just by programming? 

I tested the motor with a 9v Battery directly on the motor and it started running.. so I know the motor is fine

Seems your at the point of having to switch out components.  R2LC first, than Cruise board.  You could temporarily use a DCDR (non Cruise) to see if it is the cruise board.

Sometimes Motor driver boards have the optical isolator, or the Triac/FET fail.  So it may be repairable if the driver board is the issue.

I have a DCDR and harness that came out of a K-Line if you need one for testing, and I could look at the Cruise board if you think that is the issue.  G

George,

I'm trying to help Matt and I myself am also interested as I have a Cruise Control upgrade kit (ver 4.0).  You said that your kit had a separate instruction sheet in the upgrade kit - mine did not.  Could you please post a copy of that programming instruction sheet on the forum for us?  Perhaps in the 'TMCC/Legacy Reference Materials & Manuals' sticky for all to see...  THANKS !!!!

Best,

Dave

Thanks George... VERY MUCH !!!!!!!!

Best,

Dave

There it is, your Welcome.  Pg 5 has Cruise settings.  G

George,

It didn't show up 

... or is this a 'trick' question for me...  

Can you try again?

Best,

Dave

Look 4 up.  It is an attachment.  G

OK, so it was a trick question... and I failed the exam miserably!!! 

Thanks for posting the PDF George!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best,

Dave

No problem and let us know what was wrong with the engine.  G

George, we will.  Matt was just sent from Florida to "Nowhere, West By God Virginia" and squeeling like a stuck pig about the temperature.  Then it's on to Austin, Texas before he gets back to Florida where the locomotive is.

Once reunited with said loco, we'll try again with your instruction sheet in hand.

Best,

Dave

Well, yes its been a while but now that I am back I ordered 2 K-Line Hudson Cruise Control sets.. I used the Board out of one set and low and behold the Loco now moves.. On farther inspection of the original board the IC chip on the bottom has a scorch mark across the top that was covered by a wire.. so now the K-4 1361 Pennsy is in working order

I'm glad you got it working Matt.  As an additional follow-up to the successful repair that you made; you told me on the phone that standard TMCC reset for a steam locomotive of AUX1, 4 worked just fine and no special codes for Cruise Control were required. I made this addendum just in case inquiring minds wanted to know...

Best,

Dave

Matt, Would you be interested in sending me the bad board, I would like to see what is wrong and if it is repairable.  G