My plymouth switcher started acting odd yesterday. This switcher resides on a siding where it travels back and forth about 11 feet in each direction up a significant grade. It's task has been to shove an empty Weaver hopper up to a coal mine. Basically it moves itself given an unweighted Weaver is quite light.. Yesterday it reversed, growled and barely moved forward. Since there is movement I suspect a gear issue. Has anyone ever worked on one of these? Can anyone provide clues on what to look for and if it is a gear issue what to consider should the gears have to be replaced?
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Have you tried to lubricate the gears or axles? That might be the problem.
You should be able to remove the shell very easy with just a few screws, and add some lubricating oil to the gears and /or axles.
Lee Fritz
I've never heard anyone suggest that taking the Plymouth Switcher apart is easy Lee! The gears are all in the bottom with the horizontal motor, you may be able to drop the bottom with the four screws and lube the gears.
Your correct John , I have not had the Plymouth switcher apart. I must have been thinking of the MP-15 by K-Line.
Thanks for the heads up on the Plymouth switcher, as I have a set with one in it.
Lee Fritz
I've read posts here about motors going bad on the K Line Plymouth switchers. I also read that motors are readily available and relatively cheap. I would do as Lee and John have suggested, lubricate.
I had an issue with one of the K Line hand cars, three of the plastic mounting posts were broken, not keeping pressure on the drive gear. Without pulling my switcher out and inspecting it, I can't say if they are assembled the same. I corrected the issue with the hand car by super gluing the posts and re-assembling.
Don
I have the K-Line Porter and had to re-motor it (same motor/configuration as the Plymouth). However, you can access the gears without opening it:
I poke some grease in on the gears with a toothpick. The motor has a dual shaft. The axles can also be oiled from the outside. But I believe the motors fail prematurely on these units,
Hope this helps!
Take care, Joe.
I believe you could get to the gears taking the four visible screws out, but I'm not 100% sure. I've yet to disassemble my Plymouth for it's command upgrade, but other K-Line stuff has the same powertrain. I have had my Porter apart, it's already received it's command upgrade.
Where can one get motors for the Kline Plymouth Switchers?
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FREDSTRAINS Last edited by Fredstrains March 23, 2014 11:54 AM OGR Forum Member March 20, 2014 1:35 AM The K-line hand cars used motors like this . Not sure the Plymouth switchers did. http://www.e-slotcar.com/shop/...n-7-new-motor-30207/
Lionel hand cars used these to. They looked just like a plafit motor for slot cars.
http://www.eagledist.com/_pics/hand/h_pro416.jpg Last edited by Riverrailfan March 20, 2014 1:37 AM OGR Forum Member March 20, 2014 8:24 AM You might try Brasseur's in Saginaw, Meeeeshigan. They ended up with the majority of K-Line parts after the mushroom cloud dissipated and the dusty remains settled.
Just a thought, FWIW...
KD Last edited by dkdkrd March 20, 2014 8:24 AM OGR Forum Member March 21, 2014 11:01 AM Bill may have it for less, Lionel does have parts for these. The same photo Bill posted,the motor is #3 on the list:
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OGR Forum Member March 21, 2014 1:53 PM I have one and opened it up right now to see what motor it had. Looks like that pictured by Boxcar Bill - dual shafts with wroms on both, although the bearings on the ends of the motor casing were different than in his picture.
Anyway, if you cannot find a replacement, there is a fall-back, I think. That basic motor itself is like that in lots of clown cars and almost all SuperStreets and E-Z Streets vehicles (except the vintage Truck type) except those motors have a shaft and worm on only one end, not both. I have several spares of those and held one up closely to my switcher when open and it looks like it would fit easily - or certainly could easily be made to fit in there. With the single shaft it would engage on one axle so you would not have all wheel drive, but the thing would run, at least. March 23, 2014 12:58 PM So, where did you find it? Henning's Trains-MTH ASC Certified Technician Super-Chuffer @ Henning's Trains Passenger Car LED Lighting Kit @ Henning's Trains
Nothing is so easy as the job you imagine someone else doing. March 23, 2014 3:10 PM Who'd have thunk it.
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Just for my information only, just how do these things come apart? I removed the 4 screws from the bottom (apparently this loco was assembled by elves) attempted to drop the wheels away from the body, movement was about 2 inches which left me with a decision, pull harder or abandon the effort. I deferred. Oiled the axles and will try shoving grease past the power pickup to see if it helps.
When I added tethers to my Plymouths (so I could MU them and retain contact over switches) I found that there are motor connections into the reverse board located in the cab. I wound up removing the cab and hood (in that order, the hood hooks under the front of the cab) to disconnect the plugs since there was very little slack in the factory wiring.
---PCJ
Well the little fellow was lubed, no real change. Decided to let it run, and in a flash and puff of smoke along with the smell of burnt electronics it quit. So the smoke unit still works, lights work but nothing from the motor. Are there parts out there or has this unit become a display piece?
necrails posted:Well the little fellow was lubed, no real change. Decided to let it run, and in a flash and puff of smoke along with the smell of burnt electronics it quit. So the smoke unit still works, lights work but nothing from the motor. Are there parts out there or has this unit become a display piece?
Time for a conversion to TMCC!
FWIW, I'm going to convert mine to TMCC when I get a chance, if you're still looking for the reverse board, I'll obviously have a surplus one.
Joe and John thanks for the responses. Now that I have learned how to open this thing up I can get a better idea of what is going on. I have to assume the reverse board is shot based on my observation of a flash and smoke followed by no motor operation. Smoke unit is fine, headlight lights, nothing is getting to the motor. I figure I should check all the wiring that I can see, the board may or may not look like something blew and if it has I can probably drop in a bridge rectifier first to make sure there are no motor issues. Then I can think about taking on swapping out the reverse board. TMCC is not in the cards for this critter, TMCC does not let me do with it what I would like it to do, that is travel through a switch-back up to a mine all on its own using relays and an old Pocono Mountain Lines auto reverse device. A repair or replacement will be the order of the day. I won't be taking on this project until the dead of winter but thanks for the help.