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Hi all.  Newbie here.  I'm 38 and my whole life always wanted a train under the tree.  I had a few attempts with my father's old 1950s trains but could never get them going.  So this year I decided to buy a new set to get something going.  I'd also have the added benefit of having a known good engine and transformer to help troubleshoot what might be wrong with the old stuff.  Ok, brief intro over, here's my issue and question...

 

The set I bought was a basic Lionel New York Central starter set.  After the first couple trips around the track I noticed there was a liquid on the one of the outside rails.  At first I thought it was smoke fluid leaking through since I was trying to get the smoke going and thought I might have overfilled or had a leak.  But on closer inspection I noticed the fluiid was not clear like smoke fluid.  It looked like oil.  After running the train several time sover the next week, the build up was much worse and I noticed the train was starting to slow when it had all the cars coupled.  I eventually took a paper towel and wiped down the rail.  It was pure black.  And doing so made the train run at it's normal speed.

 

So my questions are, is this a situation where maybe the initial factory oiling was overdone and this will be a short term problem (seems to be leaking less now), is this normal, or do I have a problem?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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Hi Mich,

 

First of all, welcome to the forum.

 

The liquid that you found on the track probably was smoke fluid, as that's where it normally ends up if you overfill that type of unit.

The black residue is quite normal, and does build up after a while. It's a by-product of electricity arcing, normal airborne dirt and dust, and anything else that can get onto the rails or wheels. Extra smoke oil on the track will make it grow faster too. But as you have discovered, it just needs wiping off regularly to keep everything running smoothly.

It's rather unlikely that your train came with too much oil, as Lionel do not tend to pre-lubricate locomotives. This is so that oil cannot seep out while it is in transit, as this could cause cosmetic or other damage. Because of this, the manual for your set will advise you to lubricate your locomotive before use.

 

Have fun with your trains, and please don't hesitate to ask in this forum if you have any questions. There are some really great, and knowledgeable people here. 

Nicole is right on.  One thing to think about: smoke fluid might be clear when you put it in, but very likely after it bubbles/leaks out of a working-overfilled unit and makes its way through and down to the bottom of the loco to leak out onto the track, no telling what color it will be. 

 

Regardless, the black stuff that builds up is not just common but almost inevitable.  Just be careful how you clean it off - if you do it dry,then  no sandpaper, no steel wool - and use nothing tougher than a track cleaning eraser (such as a BrightBoy).  If you do it wet, don't use Simple Green or any cleaner except an approved track cleaning fluid or iso alcohol - and mop up every bit you use. 

 

And it does not have to be black before you get problems, either.  Any time you have problems with a loco not running well, try cleaning a bit of the track, and cleaning its wheels and center pickups (they get as dirty as the track).  Frankly, cleaning cures about 90% of problems.

Originally Posted by MichMikeM:

Hi all.  Newbie here.  I'm 38 and my whole life always wanted a train under the tree.  I had a few attempts with my father's old 1950s trains but could never get them going.  So this year I decided to buy a new set to get something going.

It's likely that nothing more than proper cleaning and lube will be all that's required to get Dad's trains running.

This is out of left field, but now and then my buddies and I have noticed a thin film of oil on new FasTrack. It interfered with the operation of my new MTH Tinplate Traditions Ives 1694 set (made by Lionel with Ives lettering in 1932) that didn't have smoke.

 

According to a topic a while ago, this oil was a residue of the manufacturing process. It wasn't noticeable when assembling the track. But it soon interfered with operation. It can combine with smoke fluid or lubricant that find their ways to the track. So I'll mention this to supplement the good advice posted above.

 

Since then we clean new FasTrack before we use it and as necessary.

 

Black "goo" builds up on wheels no matter what.

 

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