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Wish their website was a bit more friendly though!  When you click on Lionel Steam Engines, none of these goodies show up.  But if you search for "berkshire" or "shay" or "comet", then they're there.   

 

Interesting though... the items are listed with a "pre-order item" description on the website, and if you click on the item for more detail it shows "avail".  So I wonder if he has them in stock at the store, or if he's sourcing them from Lionel as orders come in.  If the latter, then other dealers may also be offering similar pricing.  I know Charlie Ro has some of these locomotives "on sale", but the pricing isn't this low.

 

Thanks for the heads-up on this.  Brian (the owner) is a stand-up guy... so I have no hesitancy ordering from him.  Probably best to call the store to see what's actually available at this pricing.  I purchased a Legacy Shay from him on eBay for $499 a few months ago...  It was the store display, and I couldn't believe I was the sole bidder at that starting price.    Runs terrific!!!

 

David

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The Shay is tempting. I have a K-Line Shay but I'm sure the new version is much better in operation. The only fly in the ointment is that I've redecorated my Shay for Milwaukee Road and I don't want to have to do it again. A body swap would be easy - except if Lionel changed the dies. Does anyone know for sure if the bodies are identical on the Lionel and K-Line Shays? If Lionel had to modify the casting to fit Legacy in there, my K-Line body won't fit and I'll have another paint job to do. 

Originally Posted by Lelandb124:

Just called about the Berkshires.  $750 is the full price, 10% deposit, delivery late 2013/early 2014.

Interesting comment on delivery.  Those dates don't make it exactly clear "where" the excess inventory sits in the distribution channel(s).  Has anyone inquired yet on this?

 

If Lionel has them in North Carolina now, I'd have a difficult time believing delivery would be as far out as late 2013 / early 2014.  Very strange... and almost implies there may even be an element of overseas shipping involved here.  So the plot thickens, but I'm just thinking out loud.  No inside knowledge.

 

As a point of comparison... Charles Ro has the Shays in-stock (a few more road names as well), but the sale-price is $699 -- down from their earlier $809 price on an MSRP of $899.  They also have the Berks in-stock, but their price is $1024... big difference over $750.

 

Hhhmmmm....

 

David

Originally Posted by Lelandb124:

Just called about the Berkshires.  $750 is the full price, 10% deposit, delivery late 2013/early 2014.

Not a bad  price on the Berk.  The engine is a sleeper.  It runs, sounds and smokes great.   Nothing casted in on this guy.   The ones without the coffin feedwater are beautiful and loaded with interesting add on detail.

Probably the buy of the year for a steamer.

Joe.  

The Shay is scale. The body casting is basically the same as the K-Line Shay from several years ago. I have one of those and it has excellent detail. As far as Legacy goes, it has better sound than previous systems. It has all manner of fancy features, programmable routines, etc. but you can run the basic functions with a TMCC remote. 

 

Beware Lionel's claim that it will run on 0-31. While the engine will run on 0-31, the coupler mounting is such that the car immediately behind the engine will derail on 0-31. I don't know what the minimum curve is for smooth operation, probably 0-42. 

Originally Posted by Santa Fe VA:

Interesting....I've always wanted a Shay.

Don't own any Legacy either.

 

How does this compare to MTH PS 2 & 3 engines?

Are these scale or semi-scale?

 

The Rio Grande switcher looks pretty cool too!

 

 

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

The Shay is tempting. I have a K-Line Shay but I'm sure the new version is much better in operation. The only fly in the ointment is that I've redecorated my Shay for Milwaukee Road and I don't want to have to do it again. A body swap would be easy - except if Lionel changed the dies. Does anyone know for sure if the bodies are identical on the Lionel and K-Line Shays? If Lionel had to modify the casting to fit Legacy in there, my K-Line body won't fit and I'll have another paint job to do. 

I have the Legacy Shay and as shipped it doesn't pull cars on the 031 they advertise it still at. It can be adapted for the K-Line adapter which I did. As far as the size it looks the same as the K-Line.

 

It will pull 042 without a problem, folks reported it wouldn't work on 036 either.

I believe I had a K-Line Shay here for review some years back.  It looked great, ran just fine, had excellent gearing, and was taller than a scale Big Boy.  It might have been scaled up from a three foot gauge locomotive to fit five foot gauge track.  I think there was only one Shay that was as tall as a PS-1 boxcar.  This model towers over such cars.

 

I just wish the Berk was a bit bigger - it looks like a little teakettle parked next to my SP Mikados.

That Berk is scale, or within a couple of scale inches thereof. I had the same impression of it, that it looked small next to my Weaver 2-8-0. There are scale drawings of both in the old Model Railroader Steam Cyclopedia, so I measured both of them, did the math, and they are both as close to scale size as makes any difference. The Lima A-1 was much smaller than later Berkshires; it was basically a big Mikado with an oversized firebox and a 4-wheel trailing truck. The later Berks also had much bigger drivers. The Weaver Consolidation is based on a very big Illinois Central 2-8-0 that is only a little bit smaller than the great big Western Maryland Consolidations. 

 

I've never measured the K-Line Shay against a scale drawing, but I'd bet it's pretty close. Maybe they did inflate it a little bit to fit in the electronics - getting TMCC in that thing was a real pretzel job. It's modeled after the biggest of the two-truck Shays. There was a lot of variation in the size of two-truck Shays, from 25 or 30 tons on up to about 70 or 80.  The stack is very tall, making it look bigger. 

 

By the way, what SP MIkados do you have? The only authentic 0 scale one I am aware of is the old 3rd Rail version, and that's a pretty small Mike. I've never had mine next to one of my K-Line Berkshires, but I doubt it's as big as they are. 

Originally Posted by bob2:

I believe I had a K-Line Shay here for review some years back.  It looked great, ran just fine, had excellent gearing, and was taller than a scale Big Boy.  It might have been scaled up from a three foot gauge locomotive to fit five foot gauge track.  I think there was only one Shay that was as tall as a PS-1 boxcar.  This model towers over such cars.

 

I just wish the Berk was a bit bigger - it looks like a little teakettle parked next to my SP Mikados.

 

At this price I will pick up an extra one as backup.  I bought one when they came out at only about a 7% discount and with some slight modification (see below), it is my favorite daily runner.  Mine already has several hundred hours on it and I imagine I will wear it out in a year or two.

 

"a little teakettle next to . . . "

 

This particular Berk (at least mine, ATSF 4199) was in actuality a very small loco as Berks go.  However, while the model is roughly a scale rendering of 4199, the model's cab is nearly a foot short of scale headroom.  With that one change (took about five hours of work) its proportions change and the eye now sees it for what it was - a fairly small work-horse loco - nothing that special, actually.  Mine is now a fairly representative model of the real thing and very satisfactory to me.  I run mine more than any other loco - more than any other two locos - I have, for that matter.   

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