Legacy creep

Are you sure youve got the throttle turned all the way down? I notice that sometimes I bump it up one or two notches and the loco kinda rolls

The big red wheel is very sensitive, it's easy to get them creeping.  If it's really happening without bumping the wheel, the remote probably needs to be fixed.

Rick R,

   If you happen to have a Cab2 that when you turn the big Red Wheel all the way down still lets the engines creep, try using the direction button to bring the engine to a stop and see what happens, if you still have engine creep you will need to get Meghan at Lionel to give you an RA number to have it fixed.  

PCRR/Dave

Mine does the same thing.  Shylo

All three of our Cab-1 handhelds will do the same thing. I have learned than when the loco is finally stopped, I press "ENG" and # "1", and hit "BOOST". That changes the addressed loco out of that Cab-1 to a non-existing loco on the layout. Thus, the loco that had been running, no longer responds to ANY TMCC commands, but sits there at "idle".

I was surprised after reading the post about engine creep on a legacy system. Mine does the same thing. I thought mine was some kind of glitch, but found out it is not. Not a big deal, but interesting to hear others experience the same thing.                Why does it creep?           Shylo

Actually, this is not much of an issue, I see it once in a blue moon, usually because I bumped the big red knob.

gunrunnerjohn,   You've given me good advice in the past, and I'm always  interested in your point of view on subjects posted a/c I respect your opinions and you seem very knowledgeable. But in this instance I "Respectfully" disagree with you.   Shylo 

Shylo posted:

gunrunnerjohn,   You've given me good advice in the past, and I'm always  interested in your point of view on subjects posted a/c I respect your opinions and you seem very knowledgeable. But in this instance I "Respectfully" disagree with you.   Shylo 

Why do you disagree?  That is exactly what has happened on our layout with either the Cab-1 or the Legacy Cab-2. Even simply putting the handheld down on something, can cause enough vibration to move the "big red knob" just a hair to start the locomotive creeping. This is why I always address a different, non existing address, PRIOR to putting the handheld down on something.

You can always use the train brake slider. The engine will remember this,so when you bring it back online you will have to release the brake to get moving again.

Doug

Doug, that's a great idea.  It also avoids the possibility of starting someone else's engine by switching ID's, I wasn't enamored with that idea.

I have found it will do it even when i continue to hold the controler , i bring it to a stop and with my hand off the red knob it starts to move again.  The brake slider works for legacy engines but not others. I love the system but this little glitch is a pain.

Page 51 in my manual shows train brake as a added feature to TMCC engines?  

Doug

trnluvr posted:

Page 51 in my manual shows train brake as a added feature to TMCC engines?  

Doug

Wouldn't that be the "screeching brakes" sound, as compared to the actual "Train Brake" feature on the Legacy Cab-2 handheld?

Train brake works fine on TMCC control, maybe you should try it.  The brake sound is the boost/brake/reverse control.

Guns,

   The Train Brake will stop the Engine, but it is not really a problem solver, if the Cab 2 is allowing this to happen, it needs to be repaired and made to operate correctly.

PCRR/Dave

I believe he's using a cab-2 and not the cab-1L,the way I read it.

Doug

the legacy handhelds brake slide switch only affects legacy engines it has no effect on others.

Using my cab 2, the creep only comes with tmcc engines, not legacy, I usually use the change direction button to put a halt to it.

I have not had the issue of my Legacy engines creeping unless I bump the throttle on the remote. I do have 4 Legacy remotes and they all work splendidly. The only time I do get a loco creeping down the tracks is when the throttle gets nudged. Im not saying that there is not an instance where the throttle wheel can break but I think its more likely in most cases the throttle is super sensitive

Rick Rubino posted:

the legacy handhelds brake slide switch only affects legacy engines it has no effect on others.

As I previously stated, that would be incorrect.  If you are running in TMCC mode for a TMCC locomotive, the train brake works the same as with Legacy.  It obviously may not have the labored sound effects, but it will limit the speed or stop the locomotive when activated.

Rick Rubino posted:

the legacy handhelds brake slide switch only affects legacy engines it has no effect on others.

Not true.  It does effect TMCC engines.  It does not work in CAB1 mode.  I often use it to limit the high end of TMCC engines.

I see John posted before me.

I must be missing something. my system is new and the slide switch for braking only works with my legacy loco , none of my TMCC locos respond to it. I also tried it when running on the club layout with the clubs legacy  controler's with the same result. hate to drag this out as its not a big problem just wondering.  Rick

Rick, It works as the other two gentlemen have stated. If you are going to the Lockport show next week I would be happy to demonstrate it and check your engines configuration on the system.

Rick Rubino posted:

I have found it will do it even when i continue to hold the controler , i bring it to a stop and with my hand off the red knob it starts to move again.  The brake slider works for legacy engines but not others. I love the system but this little glitch is a pain.

 

If you stop the locomotive and wiggle the remote in the air will the locomotive again begin to move?

Have seen a few remotes with this issue, the remote thinks the red know has moved and it has not.

thanks Z-man not sure if I can make it or not yet. the brake function on the legacy loco works fine. I played with other locos when we where at the Hamburg show that were TMCC but not Legacy and it was a no go with all.

Add me to the list of people who have had this problem, and didn't realize it was so common. On my two Lionel GP-7 Legacy diesels, when I carefully turn the red knob so that the speed becomes 0, and then don't touch the controller or knob, the speed clicks back to 1 and the diesel slowly creeps forward. It happens often. I just tried using the brake lever on the controller as suggested to keep it stopped, and this workaround works. Using the workaround is easier than sending the locos or the Cab2 controller in for repairs, at least for me. Thanks for bringing this issue up.

Bob A.