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I just received a used Legacy BNSF DASH 9, 6-28364 engine cataloged in 2010. There was no 9 volt battery installed. After running the engine in conventional, I connected the TMCC to the track and ran the engine with the only noticeable problem of a loud buzz after using AUX 1; 5 and getting  the normal PA shutdown message. Turning the transformer off, stopped the buzz.  Then I installed a new battery and 

repeated the normal TMCC start, run and shutdown.  After shutdown, I still got a loud buzz that went away after turning the transformer off. I could still hear a low volume "hum" from the locomotive. The hum did not stop after turning the transformer off and then turning the TMCC Command Base off.  Disconnecting the 9 volt battery produced a speaker "squawk.

 

I then did a controlled test to see what was going on after the locomotive shutdown.

 

I measured the 9 volt battery at 9.08 Volts and then installed the battery.  Then after installing the battery I started the engine in TMCC mode.  After moving the engine back and forth a few feet, I did an AUX 1, 5, and the engine shut down with the normal PA announcement. After all engine operating sounds stopped, I could here a very audible buzz from the locomotive.  I then turned off the transformer and the buzz stopped.  However, I could still here a distinctive low volume "hum" from the 9 volt battery area.  I could change the hum volume, using the sound volume control.  Turning the sound all the way down made the hum almost impossible to hear.  I returned the volume to normal near full up and let the engine sit on the track without any transformer voltage and the TMCC Command base off.  I let the engine hum for 15 minutes and then disconnected the battery and that produced a noticeable "squawk" from  the speaker and the hum stopped.  Checking the 9 volt battery voltage produced a voltage of 8.75 volts.   

 
I'm sure the battery would be under 8 volts in less than one hour and not usable in two hours.  This is not normal.  There's a sound relay not turning off power to the sound board.  It's not the volume control as the the hum is present, regardless of the sound volume knob setting.
 
I'm trying to identify the cause to determine if it's better to return the engine to the seller, or have it repaired and get reimbursed for the cost.
 
Thanks,  Moke Mike

 

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You really don't "need " to use the 9 volt battery backup when running in command. I've never put a battery in anything TMCC or Legacy.

 

Having said that:

 

There was an issue with some of the boards a few years ago as pertaining to the use of a 9 volt battery. 

 

Lionel posted a "workaround" for the VL challenger as it had the same problem. It suggests you let the locomotive go into shutdown automatically by turning off the layout power instead of pushing AUX1-5.

 

You could try it with your loco: VL Challenger Battery Backup Workaround

 

I believe the complete/ permanent "fix" was to send it in for a replacement board.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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