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Hi Guys,
I’m in the process of constructing the upper level of my layout and have a question concerning adding a Ground Plane wire.  I have absolutely zero knowledge of this type of issue so I was hoping some of the experienced forum members might have some answers to these questions.

I do not currently have the track on the upper level wired yet, I’ve only laid it out.  I have tested a couple of engines on the lower level running them underneath the upper level track with no noticeable signal issues, (flickering Headlights or loss of control).

As a precaution I was going to add a ground plane wire strung back and forth and stapled to the underside of the plywood decking of the upper level.  The track on the upper level will be laid on foam roadbed on top of homasote which is on top of the plywood.

Here are my questions:
  • Is it correct that to say the ground plane issue can be dependent on each engine so just because a couple of engines are not affected and work does not mean they will.   
  • Does it matter if the track on the upper level is wired or not yet? (I was thinking any metal object would cause an issue, not weather it was electrified)
  • Is there a minimum distance between levels where the ground plane is not an issue?
  • Will stapling the wire (Running it back and forth) on the underside of the plywood decking the best course of action to prevent an issue?     
  • Can the ground plane wire be split from a terminal block to be run to other areas as needed?
  • What is the best method of connecting the Ground Plane Wire to the ground of an outlet?
Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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The ground wire should not be real close to the top tracks, it's actually best if it's an inch or so away to minimize capacitive coupling between the ground and the track.  It'll be quite effective to just run it along the side of the tunnel area an inch or so below the level of the upper deck.  The object of the exercise is to couple to the antennas on the lower track locomotives.  You don't need it to run back and forth, a single run of wire should be plenty.

Originally Posted by ai:
  • Is it correct that to say the ground plane issue can be dependent on each engine so just because a couple of engines are not affected and work does not mean they will.  

Ground plane issues ( if you have one) typically effect the loco (s) with the weakest antenna. For this reason diesels are more succeptible.

 

Just because you have multiple parallel tracks, or multi-level tracks, this does not guarantee that you will have ground plane issues.

 

Some folks have issues, some do not, its kind of a case by case thing. When it does occur,  often times it can be only one locomotive out of dozens that has problems.

 

Eliminating any potential risk by adding a ground plane wire, is certainly not a bad idea.

Last edited by RickO

 

It appears the thickness of your 2nd level deck and soundboard should get close to the inch away from the rails that GRJ suggested.

 

It would matter for testing purposes that the Legacy wire and the commons were connected to the upper track for signal to be present on that level.

 

The screw that holds the outlet cover on should be earth ground as long as the receptacle is properly wired.

 

The rest of your questions have already been answered.

 

 

Last edited by Moonman

Thanks for all the information guys!  

 

I have a question for Gun Runner John.  The ground wire will be about 1 1/2 inches from the upper level track.  I'll start with a single wire run a few inches in from the edge of the isle. I will run a 14 gauge wire around the perimeter.  Is 14 gauge sufficient?  

 

I was thinking of running the wire that I attach to the screw of the outlet to a terminal block in case I have to run additional ground wires somewhere else on the layout.  Is this OK to do or will that make the ground less effective in some way?

 

 

Also, do you terminate the end of the wire in any way, or just end it (not attached to anything)?

 

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to figure it all out.

 

Thanks   

 

 

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