Lima Early Berks, or should I say the first berkshire engines

Except for the U shaped boiler and the fact that I found them quite small, I thought the K-Line berks were quite well done.  The only tender that was seriously wrong was the Lima #1 tender - it should have straight sides, and the trailing truck was ever so slightly different.

This one has round boiler, motor in firebox, and looks quite good to me when it is not parked next to an SP Mikado or something equally larger.

I would still like a B&A berk with as delivered tenders and not the Hudson hand me down tenders the B&A received before/during the war that Kline and later Lionel modeled.  Yes the Kline berks were very nicely done but nothing beats brass for fine detail.  Also you have to remember these early berkshires are really only souped  up Mikados. Not much larger.  So if the seem small compared to Nickle Plate 765 is they were.

So are these HO?  Is that why they do not fit your need?

My K-Line Berk is smaller than my smallest Mike - an MK-2 of SP lineage in 1/4" scale.  My 17/64 scale switchers dwarf it.

They are HO on this website.  **** good Detail for HO wouldn't you say.

The B&A in that scheme is simply stunning. Both K-Line and MTH offered green boiler B&A engines. None had the pop of this one. Maybe it's the short tender. The engine just looks right. Lionel could have sprung for a new tender and done it right. They inherited the engines tooling from K-Line. The tender could be used on numerous NYC family engines. Perhaps even a B&A Hudson. Even the tender from the L2a Mohawk could have been used.

 I think 3rd rail would have a winner with this one. Though the Lionel version with the as built tender in this scheme I believe would sell. One of the better detailed die cast engines with plenty of added piping.Not sure if Weaver is still doing brass. They tended to do more eastern roads than 3rd rail.