Here's a short video of slow speed of the current LionChief Plus 2.0 New Haven loco controlled by the Universal Remote.
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@Landsteiner posted:Point taken about the current pricing. But there is this. Still the least expensive command equipped steam locomotive in three rail O gauge, I believe. And one has the choice of operating using TMCC/Legacy, Bluetooth via the app or the universal remote. So I think the value is there, even if not quite as much of a bargain as pre-pandemic. Or it can operate conventionally, obviously, although not with all the features available in command. Everything else has increased in price too, with rare exceptions. Toy trains have gone up quite a bit, almost without exception.
Agree - they're still a very good deal. In fact, now checking with inflation, even getting one of these 3 years ago (and those weren't the +2 versions, either) for $200 wasn't as good a deal as what you can get one of them for today! This definitely changes the equation.
The main point, though, for me, is that the newer ones don't seem to run as well as the old conventional versions. Don't know why, and it's just my perception, and just from observing my particular two examples. Nonetheless, the new ones still run well, and certainly well enough to be a satisfying purchase. Big caveat, though: my Lionchief 0-6-0 model is a LC + version, not +2, so I don't know about those. I'd be curious to observe one of the +2 versions in action to see if there's any difference from the + version.
"for me, is that the newer ones don't seem to run as well as the old conventional versions."
If you haven't already, check out my video above and see if the problem is only in conventional mode. Seems pretty smooth at low speed in LionChief/Bluetooth mode. Haven't run it extensively by any means and perhaps the middle or high end is rougher.
My two run fine with TMCC, I have no complaints, especially for a $200 locomotive! Here's the pair MU'ed pulling some boxcars.
Just for a not entirely comparable comparison 
, this morning I received the following advert:
30-1871-1 East Broad Top 0-6-0 Imperial USRA Steam Switcher w/Proto-Sound 3.0
Cab No. 3
Pre-Order Price: $519.95 (plus freight)
Click HERE to order from Side Track Hobbies.
So for $200 more you get PS3.0 and a tender. Our toys aren't getting any cheaper, regardless.
@Landsteiner posted:Just for a not entirely comparable comparison
30-1871-1 East Broad Top 0-6-0 Imperial USRA Steam Switcher w/Proto-Sound 3.0
Cab No. 3
Pre-Order Price: $519.95 (plus freight)
Click HERE to order from Side Track Hobbies.So for $200 more you get PS3.0 and a tender. Our toys aren't getting any cheaper, regardless.
Trainworld has the same loco in LIRR for $499.00. Yea- not cheap by any means.
@Landsteiner posted:Here's a short video of slow speed of the current LionChief Plus 2.0 New Haven loco controlled by the Universal Remote.
The conventional Santa Fe, just on a text track, for comparison. It would have gone slower, but the basic $20 transformer I was using on the test track wouldn't throttle down any more before cutting power. Of course, not as slow as your New Haven LC +2 or my Rio Grande LC+, but slow enough for most uses. It certainly is a smooth runner throughout its range, though. (Also makes good smoke rings!)
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@Landsteiner posted:Here's a short video of slow speed of the current LionChief Plus 2.0 New Haven loco controlled by the Universal Remote.
Doesn't play.
John
@Landsteiner posted:Here's a short video of slow speed of the current LionChief Plus 2.0 New Haven loco controlled by the Universal Remote.
That video is broken, doesn't play for me either.
All videos work here for me 
Sorry for any inconvenience. Plays for me. I find that sometimes it takes a while for a video to load and work. A good long while, as in minutes.
Another potential issue is the video was made on an Apple device (iPhone), so it's probably Quicktime (.mov file), and I wonder if that gets fubared when played on some Windows machines? Beyond my knowledge and pay grade.
Short version is that employing the Universal Remote, the new 0-6-0T runs at very, very slow speed steadily and smoothly. Haven't tried it with TMCC or conventional yet.
@Landsteiner posted:Sorry for any inconvenience. Plays for me. I find that sometimes it takes a while for a video to load and work. A good long while, as in minutes.
Another potential issue is the video was made on an Apple device (iPhone), so it's probably Quicktime (.mov file), and I wonder if that gets fubared when played on some Windows machines? Beyond my knowledge and pay grade.
Short version is that employing the Universal Remote, the new 0-6-0T runs at very, very slow speed steadily and smoothly. Haven't tried it with TMCC or conventional yet.
The Santa Fe .mov plays fine, the New Haven .mov does not.
John
@Landsteiner posted:Sorry for any inconvenience. Plays for me. I find that sometimes it takes a while for a video to load and work. A good long while, as in minutes.
Another potential issue is the video was made on an Apple device (iPhone), so it's probably Quicktime (.mov file), and I wonder if that gets fubared when played on some Windows machines? Beyond my knowledge and pay grade.
Short version is that employing the Universal Remote, the new 0-6-0T runs at very, very slow speed steadily and smoothly. Haven't tried it with TMCC or conventional yet.
Hi it is 10:17 and still dose not play for me. Notice it show no time for the video.
And OH I am using an iMac 21"!
Ron
No clue as to why some are having difficulty, but might try viewing on an Apple device (iPhone, iPad, iMac)? Some weird incompatibility? Perhaps I should try to upload to You Tube and provide a link. Will try to do that perhaps this weekend. Apologies again to all who are experiencing frustration and wasting of their time.
@Landsteiner posted:No clue as to why some are having difficulty, but might try viewing on an Apple device (iPhone, iPad, iMac)? Some weird incompatibility? Perhaps I should try to upload to You Tube and provide a link. Will try to do that perhaps this weekend. Apologies again to all who are experiencing frustration and wasting of their time.
Like I said, it is only ONE of the two that has the issue. Both are .mov files
John
@Landsteiner posted:No clue as to why some are having difficulty, but might try viewing on an Apple device (iPhone, iPad, iMac)? Some weird incompatibility? Perhaps I should try to upload to You Tube and provide a link. Will try to do that perhaps this weekend. Apologies again to all who are experiencing frustration and wasting of their time.
That would be great if I actually had an Apple device. 
I can assure you that Windows works fine with all the other videos posted here.
It's moving so slowly it looks like it's standing still.
(Actually, it works fine on my PC.)
@gunrunnerjohn posted:That would be great if I actually had an Apple device.
@Landsteiner posted:No clue as to why some are having difficulty, but might try viewing on an Apple device (iPhone, iPad, iMac)? Some weird incompatibility? Perhaps I should try to upload to You Tube and provide a link. Will try to do that perhaps this weekend. Apologies again to all who are experiencing frustration and wasting of their time.
Doesn't work for me either on PC w/ firefox, or on my Galaxy 22.
Sometimes Chrome works when other browsers don't.
It's an issue with .mov format.
