Lionel 2-10-10-2

In general, there is not a lot of documented history on the 3000 class but there are a few odds and ends. One book that I have found to be the most reliable, and have the most info, is Trains Magazines Guide to North American Steam Locomotives. Similar to everywhere else it talks about the 3000 class but not much. Sad to say, but this is one of those types of locomotives that just got swept under the rug when it fell through.

Also, this article is good as well: https://www.steamlocomotive.co...mp;railroad=atsf#418

Descriptive information, a few photos and a video (silent movie from 1915) can be found here:

https://www.steamlocomotive.co...mp;railroad=atsf#418

Note that these ten locomotives were built in 1911 and then were converted to 2-10-2's in the 1915 to 1918 time period.  They were thus not successful.

@Bob posted:

Descriptive information, a few photos and a video (silent movie from 1915) can be found here:

https://www.steamlocomotive.co...mp;railroad=atsf#418

Note that these ten locomotives were built in 1911 and then were converted to 2-10-2's in the 1915 to 1918 time period.  They were thus not successful.

Lionel should do the 2-10-2s with the turtleback tender.

Wow, I've never seen those engines in motion. I had seen the few rare photos that had been published in one or more of the model magazines that was I think in the 90's showing a before and after conversion.

The film I wonder how they shot a bunch of it. I wonder if this was close to it being converted which would make it easier to shoot I would imagine.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

The film I wonder how they shot a bunch of it. I wonder if this was close to it being converted which would make it easier to shoot I would imagine.

That would have no effect.

The studio contracted to use the locomotive and train, just like they do nowadays.  There was probably another hours worth of film on the cutting room floor.

Rusty

@Rusty Traque posted:

That would have no effect.

The studio contracted to use the locomotive and train, just like they do nowadays.  There was probably another hours worth of film on the cutting room floor.

Rusty

That would make sense. I wonder how much money the studio spent?

The book Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail is generally considered the definitive ATSF loco book around. If you can lay your hands on one, as in borrow (they tend to be expensive), they have several photos of the 2-10-10-2. I found a nice copy of this book for $50 several years ago - how I lucked into that bargain I'll never know.

The Lionel version is a good replica - I am not speaking of the fantasy paint schemes, here - I have the earlier Vision version. The engine is not actually encrusted with add-on detail, though - but real locos from that era pre-dated many modern appliances (such as feed water heaters and power reverse units), so their appearance was relatively simple and "piping free".

I love it - model and prototype.

@Bruk posted:

Lionel should do the 2-10-2s with the turtleback tender.

Or just a 3800 class 2-10-2: 2197 ATSF 3800 Class 2-10-2, #3888, Modernized Version w/ road pilot and tender, Paragon2 Sound/DC/DCC,HO (broadway-limited.com)

Will this loco have "safety valve steam"?

In the catalog it is not listed in the "feature" section but is mentioned in the narrative write up.

@Jeff2035 posted:

Will this loco have "safety valve steam"?

In the catalog it is not listed in the "feature" section but is mentioned in the narrative write up.

Sadly, no. It was confirmed on the Ryan and Dave Show last Friday that they wanted to put that feature in the locomotive but it was not possible to put it into the locomotive. In other words, Lionel jumped the gun and made a mistake.

Too bad.

Thank you.

@Jeff2035 posted:

Too bad.

Thank you.

Your welcome.

That video is awesome! I searched for it after hearing it exists but came up empty handed. I'm glad it was posted here. It's so weird to see something from the past like that sneaking into a silent film.

What would the min. radius be ?

@Dennis Rempel posted:

What would the min. radius be ?

The original issue of 3000's was rated to have a minimum curve radius of O54, and surprisingly they were able to run on that type of curve. For this issue, they are rated at O72 since they are about 30" long.

Can't imagine that beast on O54. Almost sounds like those clown cars fitting 300 clowns in them.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Can't imagine that beast on O54. Almost sounds like those clown cars fitting 300 clowns in them.

I thought it seemed to be crazy as well until I saw this old CTT review of the locomotive. It looks ridiculous going around that curve, but it made it.

That is nuts. I was waiting for it to tip over like a Jeep going to fast. Never catch me putting any train through curves lower than minimum. Just asking for pain.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

That is nuts. I was waiting for it to tip over like a Jeep going to fast. Never catch me putting any train through curves lower than minimum. Just asking for pain.

Agreed.

@Bob posted:

Descriptive information, a few photos and a video (silent movie from 1915) can be found here:

https://www.steamlocomotive.co...mp;railroad=atsf#418

That video was great. What a leap from the water tower! Amazing what risks stuntpeople took in the early days of movies.

Amazing no special effects or animations.

However for $2500 I'd expect everything not just bells and whistles.

To Anyone Who May Want to Know More (eg. history, features) about Lionel's 'first' Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 (#3000) without having to dig for it on You Tube (because videos of it running are out there) the product number is 6-11155 and it appeared in the 2010 Signature Edition Volume One catalog.

P.S. to Trainmaster04 - I note that Lionel's 2010 printed catalog stated that the minimum curve required was 0-72 and the length was Approx. 31".   

@PH1975 posted:

To Anyone Who May Want to Know More (eg. history, features) about Lionel's 'first' Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 (#3000) without having to dig for it on You Tube (because videos of it running are out there) the product number is 6-11155 and it appeared in the 2010 Signature Edition Volume One catalog.

P.S. to Trainmaster04 - I note that Lionel's 2010 printed catalog stated that the minimum curve required was 0-72 and the length was Approx. 31".   

I see the same in my issue of both the 2009 v2 and 2010 v1 catalog. I also looked back in my 2009 v1 catalog, when they were first announced, and it did not give any details such as this. For the length, I knew it was smaller than a BB but around 30".

Trainmaster04 - Then again, the lack of 'details' provided in the 2009 v1 catalog may be attributable to the fact this was the first year Lionel was introducing the Vision Line, so I guess we can cut them a little slack for this.   

@PH1975 posted:

Trainmaster04 - Then again, the lack of 'details' provided in the 2009 v1 catalog may be attributable to the fact this was the first year Lionel was introducing the Vision Line, so I guess we can cut them a little slack for this.   

True, and also since it was more of a promotional release than an actual release. One thing that I wish Lionel continued from that catalog was their VL purchasing program. I thought it was a good idea since one, it encourages the buyer to purchase both the 3000 and the CC2, and two, it helps the buyer to afford these high dollar models. I saw it as a win win for both parties, but its Lionel we're talking about.