I want to buy a Legacy B&O EM-1, but I am a little confused with the preordering procedure due to the early shipping and the seek peak.
Do I place my order now with the few dealers that are taking preorders, or wait for the catalog to be released and order through my normal shop?
Is there a chance that by waiting for the catalog and my regular shop that I will miss out?
I want to buy a Legacy B&O EM-1, but I am a little confused with the preordering procedure due to the early shipping and the seek peak.
Do I place my order now with the few dealers that are taking preorders, or wait for the catalog to be released and order through my normal shop?
Is there a chance that by waiting for the catalog and my regular shop that I will miss out?
These are already marked as shipped, I would contact your regular shop and verify that they'll be getting them and go from there.
Thanks Rick,
I just ordered my B&O Legacy EM-1!
Does anyone know when the new Lionel Signature catalog will be fully released? Is there a date? Will it be at York?
Does anyone know when the new Lionel Signature catalog will be fully released? Is there a date? Will it be at York?
I'm thinking it should be very soon. Maybe the end of this month? I know that some dealers are already getting product in.
I just got an email from LIONEL saying the 3 new painted steamers will run on O36. I remember the Southern Crescent from several years back and thought it the most beautiful steamer ever. Probably cuz I have seen the real one in the Smithsonian several times. Would this new release be different than the older one as I remember the older one ran on O54? How do they do that? That is create a loco for smaller radius? Is it a brand new item or do they fiddle with the old one?
The MTH CNJ Pacific model is pretty accurate as far as molding and details. If they take the lettering information that I gave them to heart for the next release, it will also be the first accurately painted Blue Comet steamer in 3-rail.
So is there any information on the CC series other than the Burlington 44 tonner set from 1956?
I remember the Southern Crescent from several years back and thought it the most beautiful steamer ever. Probably cuz I have seen the real one in the Smithsonian several times.
Actually, the engine in the Smithsonian is PS-4 1403, which is the one Lionel did in 2006. It was not a Southern Crescent engine, and has a slightly different paint scheme (mainly the drivers are black and not green). Same engine type, though.
The MTH CNJ Pacific model is pretty accurate as far as molding and details. If they take the lettering information that I gave them to heart for the next release, it will also be the first accurately painted Blue Comet steamer in 3-rail.
I thought the most accurate blue comet paint job was done by Lionel in 2001 / 2002 Limited Edition and by MTH's P47. What's in the sneak peak, doesn't look right in comparison and is missing a lot of detail compared to the 2001 / 2002 Lionel and MTH models. Most noticeably is the wheels are black in the sneak peak version and the tender looks elongated compared to other models. Also in the front view it looks like it's missing some gold trim...
In the sneak peak, they painted the roof over the cab a darker blue than the body. I think the MTH and limited edition models look a lot more pleasing to my eye with that darker roof color. Again, the sneak peak is on I think version three so far. When they first posted it it was missing the feedwater heater, now it's there. I may just wait to see this engine in person before deciding on buying or not. As it is now, it still doesn't look right.
""When they first posted it it was missing the feedwater heater, now it's there. I may just wait to see this engine in person before deciding on buying or not. As it is now, it still doesn't look right."
Also, the tender appears to be wrong. Much too big.
Joe
The Lionel model isn't a CNJ Pacific, so it doesn't count in ny book. MTH has yet to get the fonts/colors/logos right on a CNJ steam locomotive yet - with one exception - the version of the L-6 4-6-0c not numbered #774 (is it #776? can't recall). That one was right, #774 was not, and none of the Pacifics has been... yet. Like I said, I gave them the info for the next round of Pacifics, lets see what happens.
Rob
You're hearing it here first! The new Signature Catalog will be online this Friday at 9:30 AM Eastern.
And when, oh when, is any manufacturer going to come out with accurate Blue Comet passenger cars? (As some book put it, they like to rape the Blue Comet name.) They love to use the name but they can't be bothered to make a model that is worthy of the kind of class the Blue Comet exemplified.
No Blue comet will ever equal the SG version.
You're right, it's the 1401. It's exactly the same as the 1403 Lionel did (I know I read somewhere that it was the same engine, but they just have different numbers). It pulled passenger trains for the Southern, but was never a Crescent engine. Notice the black drivers, and the "Southern" lettering on the tender - not Crescent. You can read about it at Smithsonian references.
Catalog #: 320000, Accession #: 196330
Currently on display
From the Smithsonian Collection
Far from ordinary were the Class Ps-4 type steam locomotives of the Southern Railway.
The Ps-4 type was "among the most celebrated passenger locomotives operated in the United States...." [John H. White, Jr. ]
Inspired by handsomely painted British locomotives, the Ps-4's green and gold livery set these locomotives apart from the funereal black associated with most American steam locomotives in the 20th century. The distinctive green was exclusive to locomotives on the Southern that were assigned to the company's principal passenger trains, such as the 'Crescent Limited,' the 'Piedmont Limited,' and others.
Built to a standard design, the first group of Ps-4s was constructed for the Southern Ry in 1923 by the American Locomotive Company (ALCo). These locomotives were patterned only partly on the successful Pacific design developed in 1918 by a design committee organized by the United States Railroad Administration, when U.S. railroads were under federal control during and after World War I.
In 1926, ALCo built for Southern a second order of Ps-4s at its Richmond Works, in Richmond, Virginia. The 1401 was included in this order. The 1401 was assigned for most of its operating life (1926-1952) to the Charlotte Division of the Southern Railway. (Hence the name, 'Charlotte' painted in small letters on the side of 1401's cab.)
The Charlotte Division was part of the Southern's Washington-Atlanta mainline, with extension of the mainline to Birmingham and New Orleans on trackage leased by Southern. The Charlotte Division included the line between Greenville, S.C. and Salisbury/Spencer, N.C. Thus the 1401 rarely, if ever, ran north of Spencer, the location of the Southern's vast Spencer Shops for the heavy repair of locomotives from throughout the system.
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