Lionel 2224w tender - parts

WS-94 is the impeller number for the prewar WS-85 whistle assembly.

A WS-19 , or a WS-85 bakelite impeller should work. Olsen's trains parts can supply.

You would want the WS-94 as Rob stated. It has a dished inward back. The later version has a solid flat back, which will not work with the die cast metal whistles.

Isn't the WS-94 plastic ?

Yes. I may have my numbers mixed up. There is  the early fan blade that is all metal, then the dished back early plastic, and the later plastic version with the flat back. He needs the plastic dished back version. Is that # WS-94? The early metal version is #WS-19 and the last is WS-136.

Then the bakelite version would most accepted. Correct ?

The WS-19 and the WS-85 are both Bakelite.

If the whistle unit is the original cast metal box version, this would be correct for the 2224W tender, it would have the early Bakelite plastic impeller. If the whistle unit was ever swapped out for a plastic box version, then it would be the later styrene version. 

So, what is it ? I assumed it to be original

WS-94 Early Bakelite plastic with the dish back.

Hi Ron, Please try the WS-19 or the WS-85 . They are the same prewar impellers for an original 2224W .

"WS-85" is not an impeller.  That is in fact the part number given to the entire whistle assembly for the 2224W tender(as well as others). 

Likewise, "WS-19" is not an impeller.  That is in fact the part number given to the entire whistle assembly first used for the Flying Yankee(the later Flying Yankee also used the WS-85 whistle assembly).  Both assemblies use the WS-94 impeller, the difference between the two is the lower bearing design(the WS-19 has the large externally serviceable Oilite bushing).

According to Olsens, WS-19 and WS-85  are the part number for an entire whistle assembly.
The difference I see between the two is the bearing on the cover to the whistle chamber. One has a large ball that is held in place by a strap, and the other has a small bearing mounted right in the cover.

Both whistle mechanisms appear to be metal.

They both can use a WS-94 Bakelite impeller.

I a certain that I've had Lionel whistles with metal fan blades that were suffering from Zinc rot. I don't recall which style whistle. Looking at Olsen's drawings, it probably was a WS-37 banana whistle or a whistle for a 616 These whistles use a metal four bladed fan, #WS-4 or a metal 8 bladed fan #WS-8.

If someone has a source for these fans (impellers), I'd like to know, because I still have those whistle mechanisms somewhere.

I never implied that those were the part numbers , only that those units,  and  their impellers, were employed in those prewar units. If you CAN substitute  a WS-94 ( I doubt it),the fact remains the same, a WS-19 & a WS-85 are the original impellers in that 2224 whistle tender unit.

Welcome to the forum!

Sorry, but not only did you imply, you actually said it, and are standing by it, and it's wrong.

The fact remains the same, a WS-19 & WS-85 are NOT impellers in that 2224W whistle tender unit, or ANY for that matter.

You never said, or implied, that those units,  and  their impellers, were employed in those prewar units.  You in fact, steered the OP away from Chuck's correct recitation of the WS-94 impeller as the one needed.

Bakelite, originally.

WOW!

For your inspection:

Look, you can go back and edit all of your posts if you want, but right now, it is clear in your own writings that you steered the OP away from the correct part number with factually false information.

We can all appreciate, I'm sure, the assistance offered and accepted by members of the forum, you included.  And I'm just a schmuck hobbyist by night, and a suit by day, with 50+ years experience now with Lionel trains, who none of you know, so don't listen to me... but Chuck is a nationally known serviceman with a shingle out who is kind enough to share his knowledge and resources with the forum as a group. 

Additionally, C.W. has confirmed that there were some errors in suggesting anything other that what Chuck recommended.  I don't know C.W., but he is certainly well read. 

I've given some advice in the past that came off as S/WAGs and had to retract.  It happens!

We're just trying to get the right info to Ron so he can get his Choo-Choo sounding better again, the side stuff, side comments, & name calling really aren't productive.

Carry on folks!

You're not helping your credibility at all.  Have you ever studied how Lionel Service Manuals are arranged & updated?  Also - prewar repair/service manual excerpt:

ron1956,  you asked the question... you decide which is an impeller, and which isn't, and which of the following will fit inside your whistle:

WS-85:

WS-19:

WS-94:

If I may change the subject just a little, what part is different between the WS-75 and WS-85?  I know they are supposed to operate at different voltages, but what is different to accommodate the different voltages?

Gauge of wire and amount of turns used in the field coil windings.

Absolutely 100% correct again!

Thank you.  I assume the WS-75 has the small wire.

Again, I have no idea what you're talking about, I did no such thing, I have edited none of my posts.

There are, they were printed after 1944.  Here's one from Chuck's post, from March, 1950, updating the October, 1947 page:

I did read back the entire thread hoping maybe I missed this, but you never said that, and tried to offer up part numbers that were not correct.  ron1956 asked for a part number, that's all.  Chuck gave it.

I don't get this either.  I said above "I'm just a schmuck hobbyist by night, and a suit by day, with 50+ years experience now with Lionel trains, who none of you know, so don't listen to me..."

Please don't again misquote me or attribute to me actions I had nothing to do with.

Thanks to all for the advice.  

The impeller I have that is broken ..is black plastic so looks like the ws-94 but I will keep checking.

ron

You will all be interested to know that Old Crow Restorations has been banned from this site.

We don't need troublemakers of that sort here.

Thanks Rich!

You're welcome.