lionel 2332 GG1

I picked one up a few months ago.   It was a Century Club version so has a display case.  Beautiful Brunswick Green 5-stripe.  Haven't run it extensively as yet but it did turn on and move in conventional, which is all I have at the moment.  I also have the manual if you need it scanned.

Your original 2332 shouldn't have magnatraction. Did someone replace the angled motor power truck with a vertical motor power truck? That would explain the magnatraction.

Thanks.Kirk   The one I have is an original post war version not a re-issue by Lionel.

I have a repair manual for it but it does not mention if it has magna traction.

bmoran4 posted:

Your original 2332 shouldn't have magnatraction. Did someone replace the angled motor power truck with a vertical motor power truck? That would explain the magnatraction.

 I don't know . The motor is in at an angle . Is there a way to confirm one way or the other?

Thanks

lovethosef3s posted:

  Has anyone ever come across this locomotive that has magne traction? I just picked one up that is it...

Pictures - trucks & motors - would be helpful!

Here are images of the motor types used in the PW period for the GG1:

Slant (The trucks appear to have been painted silver, which is not original)

Vertical (This is a newer version, but shows the vertical style).

Thanks for photos BMORAN4.

The one I have has the motor slanted just like the top photo! And trucks are black as they should be. Just checked it again and drive wheel assembly is definitely magnetized.

Go figure.

The drive assembly won't work both ways will it? Its either one or the other right?

The slanted motor is typical of the Postwar versions, and are a near Clone to the 671M-1.  There is NO Magnetraction in any GG-1’s, from Postwar.

Hi TELEDOC..Thanks for jumping in!

I didn't think there was either. That's why I put the question out there. But it is magnetized . Is there a way it could have been added?

The postwar primarily used the vertical motors - the 2332 was the exception.

Here is the vertical motor setup. I added red arrows pointing to the magnets:

I would be interested to see what your motor and truck looks like if you could post a picture.

lovethosef3s posted:

The drive assembly won't work both ways will it? Its either one or the other right?

@lovethosef3s, I'm not sure, but I would tend to think that the motor truck style must match the motor style. They have distinct part numbers in the postwar service documents.

TeleDoc posted:

The slanted motor is typical of the Postwar versions, and are a near Clone to the 671M-1.  There is NO Magnetraction in any GG-1’s, from Postwar.

@TeleDoc, all GG-1's from the postwar period had magnatraction with the exception of the 2332. You are correct that the 2332 motor is in the same family as slanted motor used in the 671. The vertical motors are similar to those used in the later F3's, TrainMasters, and switchers.

If 671-M has magna traction and it fits in the shell then I guess it was replaced!That would explain it!

TeleDoc posted:

The slanted motor is typical of the Postwar versions, and are a near Clone to the 671M-1.  There is NO Magnetraction in any GG-1’s, from Postwar.

Don't you mean no 2332 GG1's?  The twin vertical motor 2330,40,60's all had mag.

you can see how the magnets are installed on the two 2330 truck top views and compare that to the early single motor 2332 truck for the angled motor.  The 2330 on the left has the magnets removed and the one on the right has them installed for reference. The early alco trucks are the same way. No place for magnets on the 2332 to the far right.

This is why we are all saying it is not likely the early slant motor units could have had magna traction.  However,  I am open minded enough to learn and if there really was a factory unit out there, I'd love to learn about it. 

That said I am of the view that it is about 100% unlikely that a Postwar 2332 ever came from the factory with magnets installed for magnetraction.

See if you can "find" the magnets... If there are none to find, it does not have magnetraction and the seeming magnetized effect if due to other factors.

It is all reassembled and back on layout. But I can say for certain that it looks exactly like the picture of the slanted setup posted .

If the 671-M motor and power truck assembly is the same then I guess it was replaced. Got it at auction so I couldn't ask.

I am curious enough too so i'll take it apart again a check for magnets. However I can't get at it for a few days but when I do I'll report findings

Whatever the outcome it runs great

lovethosef3s posted:

If 671-M has magna traction and it fits in the shell then I guess it was replaced!That would explain it!

The 671M-1 is the motor - the motor does not determine the presence magnatraction. The presence of magnets in or around the axles is what determines magnatraction.

For reference, here is a 671M-1:

 You will see it looks very similar to your 2332M-1.

I understand .. Ill have to remove motor and inspect trucks for magnets.

Thanks everyone I'll let you all know

Appreciate the feedback and help.

Best regards

The original 2332 wheels had shiny nickel rims on the wheels that could not be magnetic. They are unmistakably different from the later, all sintered iron wheels on the magnetraction locos (2330, 2340, 2360). 

The 2332 motor:

The 2330/40/60 wheels were solid sintered iron:

Lionel made similar changes in the composition of their steam loco drivers when shifting from the earlier non-magnetraction versions to the magnetic versions. For example, the 671 turbine had the rims while the 681 magnetraction loco had solid sintered iron wheels. Same with the 675 and 2035 in the photo below. You can't miss the shiny nickel rims on that 675:

Jim

really looking forward to pics....

JIm    My 2332 definitely has shiny wheels.

Then, it does not have magnetraction and is the correct motor/truck assembly for the 2332.

Any stray magnetism is just that - stray - not related to magnetraction.

Jim 

The 2332 GG1 runs quieter than the later versions with Magne-Traction.  Also, in reference to Jim Policastro's post above, the Baldwin drivers have a better appearance than the later sintered iron drivers.  All just my opinion.