I am trying to figure out which tender came with the type IV 736 (1957-60) …..I just picked up some postwar stuff, hasn't seen the light of day since god knows when...….loco was in a box marked "Xmas 58" so im pretty sure its a type IV...it has the cheaper trailing truck and cheaper one piece collector roller...tender is missing, I know 61 (type V) has the 736W tender...…..Im guessing it would be a 2046W tender, but can someone shed light on exactly which one would be correct for 57-60 production? letter size? letter color? and did lionel use bar end trucks up to 60? any info would be great!
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I have a 1957 736. It has a 2046w with bar end trucks. Its packed away at the moment. Greenbergs has a matrix for variations. I will post...
The 1957 to 1958 berk used a 2046W plastic streamlined tender with waterscoop. Backup lamp holes were filled, and numberboards added to the sides. It says 'lionel lines' in a new typeface that is larger than the 1950 to 51 variety. Trucks were 4 wheel bar end. Coupler had the spring loaded plate with manual tab added.
The berks used both 3 window and 4 window castings for the boiler... during this time...
Hope this helps...
that helps a lot Bob, thanks, so it should be a large font tender, with bar end trucks with a tab to operate coupler....I might have that one in the spares dept...….now lets see if my tight wad self can offer it up to myself...….its a 3 window berk by the way, small 736 heat stamped in white...
Ok... but also make sure its the one with the numberboard panel on the side.
Your berk sounds like mine...
Super O Bob posted:Ok... but also make sure its the one with the numberboard panel on the side.
Your berk sounds like mine...
number board panel but blank, correct?
I wish i could remember. My engine is in storage. I think it had the number. Let me go check...
This is what u need. With number... this is same 1957 set i have. Yours is same with plastic trailing truck.
My berk has 3 windows. This is a 4 window...
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as I recall, theres no rhyme or reason 3 window or 4 window. but Ive got to find that tender, I don't have one with the number in place.....this unit is also void of flagstaffs, again, no rhyme or reason as to when lionel dropped them out of production......now to hunt down that tender ( or shell ) I have near that tender, but it doesn't have 2046 in the number boards...and its got one broken step anyways......no wonder my spares dept. was eager to surrender it.....
Well mine had flagstaffs... you should have the round base flagstaffs, not the hex.
1953 and up has round...
void of flagstaffs, no evidence they were ever pressed into the holes....unpainted headlight housing.
I think they should be there. Greenbergs says so, no variations listed without them...
possible they were there, Im not seeing the tell tale score marks in the hole they belong in, but who knows, my book says intermittent flagstaff usage throughout 57-60 production, disappearing all together later in production.....most likely if one got broke so many moons ago, the original owner may have knocked out the rest....I never could make heads or tails of flagstaff application on these later berks.....greenbergs says one thing, David Doyle says another, yet Ive seen it a bunch of different ways.....In the hey-days it was flagstaffs for everybody!...nice threaded ones at that!...…….thanks for all the info Bob!...……………………...Pat
No problem pat