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Lionel BTO List - Believe the Catalog or the Shipping Schedule?

Chris LordChris LordOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

The Lionel shipping schedule lists many items as Built to Order (BTO) that are not listed as such in the catalog.  I don't know what to believe but to be safe I put in pre-orders for what I wanted (Alaska SD70s) and didn't chance it.

 

Anyone have reliable info as to what is correct?

 

Here's a list of what's marked BTO in the current shipping schedule.  56 items.

 

Includes Hi-Cube Boxcar set, E8s, SD70s and ES44s which ARE NOT marked as BTO in the catalog

 

6-11434 UP VISION Big Boy #4006      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11435 UP VISION Big Boy #4018      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11436 UP VISION Big Boy #4005      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11437 UP VISION Big Boy #4014      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11438 UP VISION Big Boy #4017      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11448 UP VISION Big Boy #4012      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11449 UP VISION Big Boy #4004      Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-11450 Legacy Polar Express Berk GOLD      Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11451 Legacy Polar Express Berk Standard      Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11452 C&O LEGACY Berkshire #2687       Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11453 Erie LEGACY Berkshire #3321       Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11454 NKP LEGACY Berkshire #765       Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11455 PM LEGACY Berkshire #1225       Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11456 PM LEGACY Berkshire #1227       Built to order item. Nov, 14
6-11469 Pilot LEGACY AC-12 Cab Forward #9999     Built to order item. Jul, 14
6-81094 Conrail SD70MAC 86' Hi-Cube Boxcar Set     Built to order item. Dec, 14
6-81134 BN LEGACY SD70MAC #9424       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81135 BN LEGACY SD70MAC #9431       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81137 BNSF LEGACY SD70MAC #9858       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81138 BNSF LEGACY SD70MAC #9860       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81141 Conrail LEGACY SD70MAC #4138       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81144 CSX LEGACY SD70MAC #781       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81147 KCS LEGACY SD70MAC #3950       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81148 KCS LEGACY SD70MAC #3953       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81151 Alaska LEGACY SD70MAC #4002       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81152 Alaska LEGACY SD70MAC #4005       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81153 CSX LEGACY SD70MAC #778       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81154 UP LEGACY ES44AC #7361       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81155 UP LEGACY ES44AC #7388       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81160 CSX LEGACY ES44AC #937       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81161 CSX LEGACY ES44AC #944       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81169 Iowa Interstate LEGACY ES44AC #504      Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81170 Iowa Interstate LEGACY ES44AC #507      Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81171 Ferromex LEGACY ES44AC #4617       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81172 Ferromex LEGACY ES44AC #4626       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81176 CN LEGACY ES44AC #2812       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81177 CN LEGACY ES44AC #2818       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81179 LEGACY Heavy Mikado Pilot       Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81182 L&N LEGACY Heavy Mikado #1757      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81184 P&WV LEGACY Heavy Mikado #1152      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81185 CNJ LEGACY Heavy Mikado #854      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81186 SLSF LEGACY Heavy Mikado #4126      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81187 C&IM LEGACY Heavy Mikado #551      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81188 NYC LEGACY Heavy Mikado #9506      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81192 GN LEGACY Heavy Mikado #3148      Built to order item. Sep, 14
6-81219 AT&SF LEGACY E-8 AA       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81225 RI LEGACY E-8 AA       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81228 C&O LEGACY E-8 AA       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81231 Erie LEGACY E-8 AA       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81234 MKT LEGACY E-8 AA (Pwd A #131, Dmy A #134) Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81237 SAL LEGACY E-8 AA (Pwd A #3051, Dmy A #3055) Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81240 Wabash LEGACY E-8 AA (Pwd A #1007, Dmy A #1011) Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81243 Pilot LEGACY M1a #9999       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81245 PRR LEGACY M1a #6771       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81246 PRR LEGACY M1a #6764       Built to order item. Oct, 14
6-81247 PRR M1a Freight Set       Built to order item. Dec, 14

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Chris LordChris LordOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
Originally Posted by Passenger Train Collector:

Thanks Chris. If you ever consider a career change, this would qualify you as an investigative reporter. Lionel, if they read this thread, should clarify this information.

 

Good job.

Thanks but I can't take credit for originally undercovering this.  Several folks pointed it out in the "What's does Lionel's "Built to Order" mean?" thread. I just thought it was important enough to warrant its own thread.  You are right, I hope Lionel (Or CharlieNassau or Pat's Trains or someone) chimes in with more info.  

 

And I am considering a career change "Full Time Toy Train Hobbyist" aka - retired!

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Chris LordChris LordOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
Originally Posted by scott.smith:

You can't trust shipping dates from anyone there are too many outside forces involved here....Shipping dates are a calculated lie.

Scott Smith

True, true.  But it's not the shipping dates I'm concened with.  It's the stealth announcement of items being BTO.    Interestingly, I just looked at the Charles Ro price list and they do list these items as BTO so I guess the shipping schedule designation is correct.  Now on to our next episode .... when will they actually ship?

gmorlitzgmorlitzOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBERMEMORIAL SUPPORTER
Originally Posted by Chris Lord:
Originally Posted by Passenger Train Collector:

"And I am considering a career change "Full Time Toy Train Hobbyist" aka - retired!"

 

Chris, unfortunately this does not pay very much. 

Huh?  You mean my basement full of trains isn't appreciating every day?     Oh, oh!  I better come up with a better plan......and fast!  

 

Just like a new car, the minute you pick it up from the dealer.

 

Gerry

Andy HummellAndy HummellOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

At York, Mike Reagan stated several times (that I heard, and probably more) that he was going to be spending the entire month of November overseas (he even... thanked me for this at one of his presentations ) to ensure that the Vision Big Boys would make it here in December.  He even said that they would probably be sent via air freight.  Of couse, that doesn't mean anything else will be on time...

 

But then again, considering that this catalog contained my biggest pre-order ever, everything is likely to be early...

 

Andy

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