Lionel Docksider 6-28650

You need to remove the shell. There are two screws at the rear and I believe two more screws up in the cylinders, There are screws that attach the motor to the frame from the top.

Gilly, thanks for your response.  The first thing I did was remove the shell.  I'll look again for screws on top, as you suggest.

Check for 2 screws under where the motor mounts, inside the frame. ( under side ) May have to remove the drivers to reach the screws.

Chuck, I looked behind the drivers and didn't see any screws, nor did I see screws anywhere else that appeared to hold the motor.  My eyes aren't what they used to be, however, because I'm the age of a typical O gauger!

There are two screws right behind the motor.  I tried them and found they hold a bracket to which the valve gear is attached.  Loosening those screws didn't budge the motor.

I'm thinking about reverting to brute force; prying off the flywheel and removing the armature.  The motor would be destroyed, but I don't have a use for it.  Thanks for your suggestion.

John

I don't know if you've looked here Steam Crazy, (or if this will help), but here's a link to the Lionel parts breakdown. There appears to be a bottom plate (#26) that is below the frame (#24), so you can access the two screws that hold the motor in place. Unfortunately, there's no illustration as to how the parts connect, or where the screws are located. But this parts breakdown might help you get a better idea.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...mp;resultsPerPage=75

You might not want to scrap the motor. At some point, Lionel made changes to the frame to accommodate a new motor. The series one frame and motor is now obsolete and the new series 2 motor will not mount to the older series 1 frame. See this thread...

https://ogrforum.com/...5#129252226555777525

Depending on which version you have, you could sell the motor, or hang on to it if you were to ever get another Dockside switcher.

There has been parts availability issues on high end products for quite some time. But now it seems the traditional line products are NOT immune from this. The only advantage we traditional operators have, is that the products are made in MUCH larger production runs, so that buying a second product is somewhat easier. And unfortunately this may be the only avenue to acquire certain parts. Anyways, just food for thought. 

Brian, thanks to your help, I removed the motor without damaging it!  There appeared to be two screws on the bottom of the motor in the parts diagram, so I removed the bottom plate again to look for screws. 

I didn't see the screws the first time because the screw holes were filled with grease.  I cleaned out the grease and the motor came out easily.  I'll save the motor, "just in case".

I double headed my new dummy Docksider with my NYC 0-4-0 last night.  Thanks again for your advice!

John

I wish the electronics package for this thing was still available.  I still need to follow up on a suggestion from @gunrunnerjohn to replace some board level components on mine.  

I have one, takes to much power to go forward, and the whistle does not work. Any help on what look like parts numbered tjp32c or jip31c would be helpful.

Allin, not sure the non working whistle is a bad thing, it sounds like a buzzer!  Seriously, good luck on finding parts and repairing your Docksider, you could easily exceed the cost of a new one if you can't do the work yourself.  That's why I turned mine into a dummy.

I wish Lionel or MTH would produce a small steam engine like the Docksider, in the $300-400 range, with modern sound, smoke and electronic features.  I bet lots of small engine fans, like me, would line up to buy one.  I believe MTH has done well with their GE 44 ton diesel, so why not a small steamer?

Lionel’s last couple of catalogs have included docksiders with LionChief Plus 2.0 (Bluetooth and TMCC) for $250 MSRP—street price of $225. They look very nice.

Keith is right, don't spend a lot of money on it until you see if these are as good as they sound.

I was only thinking of replacing the four from what I found 3 dollar power mosfets, one of which burned out taking the full forward and whistle function with it. I could tell from the heat damaged electrical tape on one set, and not the other which pair has a dud. That would be about 12 bucks and a common part. Even the smoke unit is weak, saying it is starved for power, leaving me fairly sure it is the power circuit that is faulty, not the controller IC or the ASC chip, since if power board had a fault the DC bias could get lost. I just need to know mosfet part numbers, or workable substitutes, so I could have them replaced before they all go bad. If it did not run at all I would see no point in it.

And yes I have been drooling over the Denver and Rio Grande 0-6-0 from Lionel that comes out later this year. It is why I picked up this engine to find out what i thought of the 0-6-0. I wish I could find the SP&S one that come in a train set, or Lionel would re release it.