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I know the"that ain't prototype" line is usually disproved at some point, but hi-railers no doubt hear it from other hobbyists more than most. Now then, a prototype for the Lionel FT passenger set? Here's something close. 

I found a photo of a Boston-Montreal CP passenger train in a Hamilton Ellis book. It shows a single-unit diesel, maybe F or E unit, and three cars; baggage/mail, chair car, and an open-deck observation, an almost-match for the Lionel set.

Closest I can find online are the CPR and B&M trains below:

 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/268879040227264681/

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtim...hotos/us/BM_3807.htm

 

I only stir the pot like this because a childhood train I rode regularly operated with one locomotive and one passenger car, period.

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I guess the main prototype question would be a steam generator in the FT unit. From looking at the Atlantic Coast Line and Southern Railway, they only had steam generators in the B units. The ACL ran these originally as AB pairs, coupled as ABBA. I think the Southern was similar in original operation. Therefore, a single FTA may not be correct for a passenger train, but an AB combo would work,

 

Many railroads ordered F2 and F3 A units with steam generators for passenger service.

 

For our model trains, just put the steam generator stacks on a Lionel FT A unit and go for it!

Originally Posted by Firewood:

I know the"that ain't prototype" line is usually disproved at some point, but hi-railers no doubt hear it from other hobbyists more than most. Now then, a prototype for the Lionel FT passenger set? Here's something close. 

I found a photo of a Boston-Montreal CP passenger train in a Hamilton Ellis book. It shows a single-unit diesel, maybe F or E unit, and three cars; baggage/mail, chair car, and an open-deck observation, an almost-match for the Lionel set.

Closest I can find online are the CPR and B&M trains below:

 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/268879040227264681/

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtim...hotos/us/BM_3807.htm

 

I only stir the pot like this because a childhood train I rode regularly operated with one locomotive and one passenger car, period.

Still, there's a BIG difference between an FT-A and and E8-A (which is what is pictured on the link.)

 

Maybe the toy train folks don't know or don't care, but it doesn't hurt to learn some basic diesel locomotive spotting skills every now and then.

 

Now, how do you feel about a GP38-2 on a passenger train?

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All good stuff; thanks everybody. I was having a similar discussion with a hobby shop owner not long ago. I find that it all comes down to where our individual comfort zone is, and at what point our imagination fills the gap. My fun zone is somewhere in the hi-rail area, no desperate accuracy needed either. ;0)

I have done some research on this subject of the FT in the starter sets. Here is an interesting article that I found that answered quite a bit:

 

http://utahrails.net/loconotes/emc-ft.php

 

I really thinks that it makes no difference since it is your railroad. My understanding is the customer railroads were modifying their power units from day one to suit their needs. Later on from what I read FT units could be tied to F3 or whatever was available. Santa Fe modified their FT units so the B unit had hostler controls because the choice of 2 of 4 units only made not fiscal sense. 

 

I have learned that there is usually a prototypical example for almost anything. I would suggest you ignore those critics/rivet counters. I did find a B unit on an auction site for way too much but oh well, now I have one. Maybe Lionel will someday pop out some more B units and some dummy A units.

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