Lionel Mogul issues!!!!!!

Well, I bought me a 565 from Charles Ro at York, and when I brought it home, it ran like a champ, no jerkiness, and no binding. Charles Ro already swapped out the traction tires and gave me an impressive deal on the loco. I would like to thanks Charles Ro for their excellent service and customer appreciation. 

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

Well, I bought me a 565 from Charles Ro at York, and when I brought it home, it ran like a champ, no jerkiness, and no binding. Charles Ro already swapped out the traction tires and gave me an impressive deal on the loco. I would like to thanks Charles Ro for their excellent service and customer appreciation. 

That's great to hear Zach.   There's hope for the rest of us.

I have no issues with my engine except a lurch - which has been well discussed. 

I specifically asked Dave at York and he said he is working on it and will have a solution. If I recall correctly, he said he hooked the motor up to straight DC and saw the issue then so I believe he is ruling it out to be electronic. Considering the Lionel team just spent several days in York plus travel, I would expect them to get to the issues this week or next and not have time to deal with it during York.

Maybe they even took a day or two off for themselves.....just a thought..........shocking, I know. 

SJC posted:

I have no issues with my engine except a lurch - which has been well discussed. 

I specifically asked Dave at York and he said he is working on it and will have a solution. Considering the Lionel team just spent several days in York plus travel, I would expect them to get to the issues this week or next and not have time to deal with it during York.

Maybe they even took a day or two off for themselves.....just a thought..........shocking, I know. 

 

Well said. 

Looked at the moguls for sale at York but just could not pull the trigger. I like them but with the problems with some of them I decided against them. 

I spent my money on a RK Y6B. A well thought out locomotive that looks great and sounds great. I usually buy small prototypes because of my 036 curves but the Y6b fits right in. 

The Legacy Y6b would be a prefect fit for you David.

I have not even put mine on the track yet.  Am awaiting the total fix info from Lionel.  I ordered and received the replacement traction tires from Lionel, and will put those on and do whatever else needs to be done (once I know what it is) all at the same time.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

The Legacy Y6b would be a prefect fit for you David.

Yes it would be nice but I just don't want to run it back and forth.

I have mine sitting on a siding waiting to hear from Dave.  Almost like a prototype railroad, I'm sure they had issues from time to time

MartyE posted:

SJC posted:

I have no issues with my engine except a lurch - which has been well discussed. 

I specifically asked Dave at York and he said he is working on it and will have a solution. Considering the Lionel team just spent several days in York plus travel, I would expect them to get to the issues this week or next and not have time to deal with it during York.

Maybe they even took a day or two off for themselves.....just a thought..........shocking, I know. 

 

Well said. 

WHAT, heck no I'm keeping the heat on

I did hear from customer service.  They may have identified the culprit but no solution yet.  I'll let Dave respond when he gets a chance.

superwarp1 posted:

MartyE posted:

SJC posted:

I have no issues with my engine except a lurch - which has been well discussed. 

I specifically asked Dave at York and he said he is working on it and will have a solution. Considering the Lionel team just spent several days in York plus travel, I would expect them to get to the issues this week or next and not have time to deal with it during York.

Maybe they even took a day or two off for themselves.....just a thought..........shocking, I know. 

 

Well said. 

WHAT, heck no I'm keeping the heat on

I did hear from customer service.  They may have identified the culprit but no solution yet.  I'll let Dave respond when he gets a chance.

I never said, nor suggested letting them go on this issue. I'm just saying, let them come up for air for a second after a major public event and associated set up, break down, and travel involved. York for the big dealers and manuf. isn't a vacation like it is for those that go to enjoy. 

Dude, I’m joking.  Hence the funny emoji 

I picked mine up from my LHS, and it has the lurching at slow speeds too.

I have been assured they are close to a answer and will have a fix for all effected engines.  Dave will post when he's 100% sure what the issue is and what the cure will be.  That's all I can say for now.

superwarp1 posted:

I have been assured they are close to a answer and will have a fix for all effected engines.  Dave will post when he's 100% sure what the issue is and what the cure will be.  That's all I can say for now.

Thanks for the update.  I spoke with Dave at York and he assured me they are working on a solution but as stated above there are multiple things going on including York last week.

Ain't nothing in life perfect.

I like Dave and the Lionel team.

Some Lionel products are simply outstanding a) Legacy Y6b the best running loco I have     b) Legacy AC-9

Some Lionel products are not outstanding. Do your research

 Vote with your dollars

My does it too. some of you might have seen mine running at the york show. It was changed to Strasburg Railroad #89. I have a question though. How many other steam engines have the drive wheels(wheels with traction tires) driven by the linkage. Most of the ones I see have the drive wheels driven by the motor(worm gear). I think that could be a problem. Just a thought.

Bob Herr posted:

My does it too. some of you might have seen mine running at the york show. It was changed to Strasburg Railroad #89. I have a question though. How many other steam engines have the drive wheels(wheels with traction tires) driven by the linkage. Most of the ones I see have the drive wheels driven by the motor(worm gear). I think that could be a problem. Just a thought.

Can you explain how you changed it to 89? I was thinking of how to do that, since I desperately want a Strasburg loco hence NO Vision line 90. 

Bob Herr posted:

How many other steam engines have the drive wheels(wheels with traction tires) driven by the linkage. Most of the ones I see have the drive wheels driven by the motor(worm gear). I think that could be a problem. Just a thought.

Actually, a vast majority of modern Lionel and MTH steam locomotives have wheels driven by the drive rods, typically only one set of geared drive wheels.

Thanks John. I did not know

Zach I will get back to you later today

You take enough of them apart, you get to know stuff like that.

John

I do know that the rods drive the wheels but ones with traction tires on? I'm saying the mogul is relying on the rods to move the wheels that give the loco all it's power to the track. Just to confirm we are on the same track.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Bob Herr posted:

How many other steam engines have the drive wheels(wheels with traction tires) driven by the linkage. Most of the ones I see have the drive wheels driven by the motor(worm gear). I think that could be a problem. Just a thought.

Actually, a vast majority of modern Lionel and MTH steam locomotives have wheels driven by the drive rods, typically only one set of geared drive wheels.

Many if not all N scale steam locomotive have all their drivers geared. 

Rapido Trains is desgining their steam locomotives to have all the drivers gear driven. 

American Models S scale steam locomotives (Northern, Hudson and Pacific) also have all their drivers driven by gears.  Just like one big ol' diesel truck.  They run great.

Rusty

Bob Herr posted:

John

I do know that the rods drive the wheels but ones with traction tires on? I'm saying the mogul is relying on the rods to move the wheels that give the loco all it's power to the track. Just to confirm we are on the same track.

The Moguls from 2003-2004 have the same setup. Traction tires on the front wheelset, center wheelset driven by the motor. Smooth as silk. 

Pete

It varies by specific model, some have the driven wheels with traction tires, others drive a different wheelset.

Rusty Traque posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Bob Herr posted:

How many other steam engines have the drive wheels(wheels with traction tires) driven by the linkage. Most of the ones I see have the drive wheels driven by the motor(worm gear). I think that could be a problem. Just a thought.

Actually, a vast majority of modern Lionel and MTH steam locomotives have wheels driven by the drive rods, typically only one set of geared drive wheels.

Many if not all N scale steam locomotive have all their drivers geared. 

Rapido Trains is desgining their steam locomotives to have all the drivers gear driven. 

American Models S scale steam locomotives (Northern, Hudson and Pacific) also have all their drivers driven by gears.  Just like one big ol' diesel truck.  They run great.

Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about, MTH and Lionel O-gauge products.  

I don't have any issues with the Lionel and MTH method, mine run great as well.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

It varies by specific model, some have the driven wheels with traction tires, others drive a different wheelset.

Rusty Traque posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Bob Herr posted:

How many other steam engines have the drive wheels(wheels with traction tires) driven by the linkage. Most of the ones I see have the drive wheels driven by the motor(worm gear). I think that could be a problem. Just a thought.

Actually, a vast majority of modern Lionel and MTH steam locomotives have wheels driven by the drive rods, typically only one set of geared drive wheels.

Many if not all N scale steam locomotive have all their drivers geared. 

Rapido Trains is desgining their steam locomotives to have all the drivers gear driven. 

American Models S scale steam locomotives (Northern, Hudson and Pacific) also have all their drivers driven by gears.  Just like one big ol' diesel truck.  They run great.

Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about, MTH and Lionel O-gauge products.  

I don't have any issues with the Lionel and MTH method, mine run great as well.

Maybe so, but I guess it shows that there are successful alternatives to using the siderods for driving forces on model steam locomotives.

Rusty

Sure, but I have a lot of successful model steam locomotives that use the siderods.   Lionel, MTH, 3rd Rail to name a few makers...

Rusty Traque posted:

Maybe so, but I guess it shows that there are successful alternatives to using the siderods for driving forces on model steam locomotives.

Rusty

Every brass steam non articulated engine regardless of scale I have seen (literally hundreds) relies on the siderods to deliver power to the wheels not driven by the motor. This why quartering is so important.

Pete

So is Lionel going to make some sort of formal announcement?

J Daddy posted:

So is Lionel going to make some sort of formal announcement?

OK, how would Lionel make such a "formal announcement"?  Maybe on their website, or maybe in the magazines, or maybe in the newspapers, etc., etc., etc.?

Norton posted:

...  The Moguls from 2003-2004 have the same setup. Traction tires on the front wheelset, center wheelset driven by the motor. Smooth as silk. 

Pete

Hey Pete, quick question on those TMCC Moguls... did they have the roadname/number-specific Towercom and Crewtalk?  I'm thinking of grabbing one, but might want to change the roadname.  But if the Towercom/Crewtalk is specific to that roadname, I probably will try to grab a roadname I'm inclined to keep as is.  Thanks!

David

Hot Water posted:

J Daddy posted:

So is Lionel going to make some sort of formal announcement?

OK, how would Lionel make such a "formal announcement"?  Maybe on their website, or maybe in the magazines, or maybe in the newspapers, etc., etc., etc.?

Website, Facebook Page, Dealer Network, subscriber email, via this forum.  There are many venues for them to get the word out if they so choose.  Lots of ways to make an announcement of "If you're having issues contact us".

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Norton posted:

...  The Moguls from 2003-2004 have the same setup. Traction tires on the front wheelset, center wheelset driven by the motor. Smooth as silk. 

Pete

Hey Pete, quick question on those TMCC Moguls... did they have the roadname/number-specific Towercom and Crewtalk?  I'm thinking of grabbing one, but might want to change the roadname.  But if the Towercom/Crewtalk is specific to that roadname, I probably will try to grab a roadname I'm inclined to keep as is.  Thanks!

David

My NYC one does have specific roadname and cab number. They are RS4 though and you can still get generic steam RS4 boards, at least last time I looked.

Here you go. Still listed in stock.

Pete

MartyE posted:

Hot Water posted:

J Daddy posted:

So is Lionel going to make some sort of formal announcement?

OK, how would Lionel make such a "formal announcement"?  Maybe on their website, or maybe in the magazines, or maybe in the newspapers, etc., etc., etc.?

Website, Facebook Page, Dealer Network, subscriber email, via this forum.  There are many venues for them to get the word out if they so choose.  Lots of ways to make an announcement of "If you're having issues contact us".

How about by addressing this post right here instead of relying on third-party hearsay!    They have been active on other threads in the forum since York.

Zach you ask how it was changed to Strasburg. Well with out going into fine detail. first I stipped on the original lettering and numbers with a Q-tip and some Lacquer thinner. Go easy with it and it won't attack the black. Then got Gold Dry Transfer letters and numbers and applied them to the engine. When done dull coated it. The fonts are (Numbers Gothic RR) and Letters are (Roman RR). Striping is automotive pin stripping that I had to cut down to make thinner.

Hope this helps ya.

A model railroader!  Nicely done.

Train Nut posted:

MartyE posted:

Hot Water posted:

J Daddy posted:

So is Lionel going to make some sort of formal announcement?

OK, how would Lionel make such a "formal announcement"?  Maybe on their website, or maybe in the magazines, or maybe in the newspapers, etc., etc., etc.?

Website, Facebook Page, Dealer Network, subscriber email, via this forum.  There are many venues for them to get the word out if they so choose.  Lots of ways to make an announcement of "If you're having issues contact us".

How about by addressing this post right here instead of relying on third-party hearsay!    They have been active on other threads in the forum since York.

They most likely will when they have something to say. Where is the hearsay?   Gary said he was in contact with Lionel. Isn't that good enough. It seemed it was for him. If they need to address the issue with everyone that bought it, this forum probably isn't the best place to reach everyone. 

Anything on the Mogul yet. Mine is starting to grow cobwebs. Also getting more gray hair. Me not the Mogul.

I still can't understand why being members of this forum the Lionel  Reps can't at least update the subject on this forum personally.....