The newer diesels engines---Geeps(Lionel is all I run) have visors on both sides of the cab. When these engines go past the icing station, the lever that pushes the ice cubes out makes contact with the visors and scratches them. I've pushed the visors down in hope of alleviating the problem. It didn't work. I even modified the lever itself. The problem still existed. My solution was to remove the visors on one of my GP7s and that cured the problem. That particular Geep will be the only Geep I run on that section of my layout. Unfortunately the icing machine is located on one of my main lines( kids love watching this work). I would think that Lionel would have had the foresight to address this issue when engineering the Geeps. I know this isn't a perfect world and "stuff happens." I also know that by modifying the engine, it will decrease the value(big deal). We three railers are a creative bunch and are quite pragmatic and inventive. My layout is based on the display type(emphasis on the word play). Moving the accessory would be a major task since my spurs are full of other stuff. The alternative would be to never run Geeps on that route. However, modifying one GP7 was a personal decision. I know that many Hi Railers may think this solution is goofy. Some guys and gals weather their stuff and that qualifies as an alteration. But you know, this wonderful hobby has room for everybody. I hope that this narrative is helpful.
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I like that accessory a lot and put it at the end of a siding and parked an ice car next to it. Clearances are crucial and took me a while (plus some slickery vinyl tape) to make the whole operation work smoothly. Same with a radar antenna. If you look closely there is a nickel as a counterweight on it. It is not in a handy spot so it was important to fix it once and fix it for the forseeable future. Once it's done, it's done and the grandkids love it. Modify away, this stuff is to play with.
Of course, traditional items like the Ice Loader were designed long before the modern "scale" engines came along. Traditional Geeps don't have the visors, so there wasn't a problem. There are quite a number of conflicts that arise when using older accessories with the newer, large scale equipment, which require custom solutions.
There also have been discussions in the past about the problems with integrating Fastrack with certain accessories, including the Ice Loader. Another example is integrating operating giraffe cars with Fastrak. The trigger attachments have to be custom made/adapted to make these work.
I have the modern incarnation of the Ice Loader (can motor) and it's prescribed placement, with O tubular, does not interfere with the visors on any of my four Lionel PRR diesel locos so equipped. I just have to make sure the Grandkids return the 'pusher' all the back when the 'ice' is finished loading.
What did give me problems was the clearance with the shack on the Postwar American Flyer Barrel Loader. Placing the loader so it would dump into a waiting gondola caused the visors to clip the shack wall. I had to loosen the shack and move it back a bit. It was a bit tricky.
The real effort was with the TMCC Culvert Loader/Unloader, placed on a thru track. From the visors to the 2035 type rod linkage, to the wide pilot/apron on the 238 PRR reincarnation, it all works now, albiet with 027 track spliced in and carefully centered.
Of course, traditional items like the Ice Loader were designed long before the modern "scale" engines came along. Traditional Geeps don't have the visors, so there wasn't a problem. There are quite a number of conflicts that arise when using older accessories with the newer, large scale equipment, which require custom solutions.
There also have been discussions in the past about the problems with integrating Fastrack with certain accessories, including the Ice Loader. Another example is integrating operating giraffe cars with Fastrak. The trigger attachments have to be custom made/adapted to make these work.
Thanks, for replying. You are correct. The newer scale engines "ain't the same animal. Lionel has issues that need to be addressed.
I have the modern incarnation of the Ice Loader (can motor) and it's prescribed placement, with O tubular, does not interfere with the visors on any of my four Lionel PRR diesel locos so equipped. I just have to make sure the Grandkids return the 'pusher' all the back when the 'ice' is finished loading.
What did give me problems was the clearance with the shack on the Postwar American Flyer Barrel Loader. Placing the loader so it would dump into a waiting gondola caused the visors to clip the shack wall. I had to loosen the shack and move it back a bit. It was a bit tricky.
The real effort was with the TMCC Culvert Loader/Unloader, placed on a thru track. From the visors to the 2035 type rod linkage, to the wide pilot/apron on the 238 PRR reincarnation, it all works now, albiet with 027 track spliced in and carefully centered.
Thank you for replying. I still can't make the ice station work with my scale Geeps' I also have the can motor type. The lever is flush with the station platform. I use Lionel O gauge tubular track. One other option might to file the portion of the platform where the lever returns. I'm not sure I want to try that as I might mess up that also. On the other hand, I think the lever would return to a modified platform. I really appreciate your input.
I've handled the issue in the same manner as POTRZBE. Operating accessories like the ice station, oil drum loader, milk platform and so on are all located on sidings with an appropriate car placed alongside.
Curt
I'm glad Brian brought this subject up, as I am getting ready to install my Ice Loader on the layout. I was aware of possible issues with placement when putting the accessory by FasTrack, but hadn't thought about visor overhang problems, and I have a fair number of scale engines that have them. I think that, for starters, the suggestion about using sidings for certain accessories is the best first step, so cars can be backed in without requiring the engine pass by the accessory. Other than that, it's tinker tinker until a solution is found!
I've handled the issue in the same manner as POTRZBE. Operating accessories like the ice station, oil drum loader, milk platform and so on are all located on sidings with an appropriate car placed alongside.
Curt
Thanks for replying.
I'm glad Brian brought this subject up, as I am getting ready to install my Ice Loader on the layout. I was aware of possible issues with placement when putting the accessory by FasTrack, but hadn't thought about visor overhang problems, and I have a fair number of scale engines that have them. I think that, for starters, the suggestion about using sidings for certain accessories is the best first step, so cars can be backed in without requiring the engine pass by the accessory. Other than that, it's tinker tinker until a solution is found!
You are so correct---tinker,tinker,tinker!
I'm glad Brian brought this subject up, as I am getting ready to install my Ice Loader on the layout. I was aware of possible issues with placement when putting the accessory by FasTrack, but hadn't thought about visor overhang problems, and I have a fair number of scale engines that have them. I think that, for starters, the suggestion about using sidings for certain accessories is the best first step, so cars can be backed in without requiring the engine pass by the accessory. Other than that, it's tinker tinker until a solution is found!
I took the advice and placed it on the end of a siding. In the Lionel instruction book with reference to the can motor version (72-4174-250) on page 4, figure 2, it "looks" like there would not be problem with FasTrack. As we all know, at times, a picture is not worth a thousand words. I'm glad people share both successful and not so successful stories. We can all learn from mistakes