Lionel Post War 1666

The front of the engine is held by 2 tangs on the motor frame that lock into the front pilot assembly.

I’m on vacation, so don’t have access to my 1666’s. Working from memory there is a projection on both motor plates that fit into the rectangular box on the cylinder assembly.

Red circle on your picture shows the box.

Chuck Sartor posted:

The front of the engine is held by 2 tangs on the motor frame that lock into the front pilot assembly.

You guys are THE best! I got it now! THANK YOU!

Sometimes I get a little "stunada" plus I just finished  assembling a 2026 that was a basket case and between searching for parts for hours and working on this I am half blind LOL. Plus I am working on a 2037 that I found missing a lot of parts. At least the shells and motors are there LOL!

In addition to these gems, I am working on an 8855 MPC Milwaukee diesel that the non-powered truck just snapped off which I fixed, and PLENTY of other repair projects that have all been waiting for me for YEARS. In fact the Milwaukee diesel has been broken about 20 years. It somehow wound up in the garage and was all filthy - so much so that I stripped it down to the bare chassis and washed everything but the darn motor armature in the kitchen sink with soap & water! I even washed the field coil. 

Anyway, I digress, once again THANKS now I can continue getting this precious engine back in service!

AL P

fisherdoc posted:

Chuck Sartor posted:

The front of the engine is held by 2 tangs on the motor frame that lock into the front pilot assembly.

You guys are THE best! I got it now! THANK YOU!

Sometimes I get a little "stunada" plus I just finished  assembling a 2026 that was a basket case and between searching for parts for hours and working on this I am half blind LOL. Plus I am working on a 2037 that I found missing a lot of parts. At least the shells and motors are there LOL!

In addition to these gems, I am working on an 8855 MPC Milwaukee diesel that the non-powered truck just snapped off which I fixed, and PLENTY of other repair projects that have all been waiting for me for YEARS. In fact the Milwaukee diesel has been broken about 20 years. It somehow wound up in the garage and was all filthy - so much so that I stripped it down to the bare chassis and washed everything but the darn motor armature in the kitchen sink with soap & water! I even washed the field coil. 

Anyway, I digress, once again THANKS now I can continue getting this precious engine back in service!

AL P

Sounds like fun to me! And it sounds like you seem to have things well in hand. I just finished restoring my Eeek!-bay 1666, which also had an unknown history - one wheel was off and totally reamed out, another wheel was suffering from zinc pest, broken gear teeth, etc. It is running smooth as silk now, might even be one of my best runners! Enjoy the restore!!!

GeoPeg posted:

fisherdoc posted:

Chuck Sartor posted:

The front of the engine is held by 2 tangs on the motor frame that lock into the front pilot assembly.

You guys are THE best! I got it now! THANK YOU!

Sometimes I get a little "stunada" plus I just finished  assembling a 2026 that was a basket case and between searching for parts for hours and working on this I am half blind LOL. Plus I am working on a 2037 that I found missing a lot of parts. At least the shells and motors are there LOL!

In addition to these gems, I am working on an 8855 MPC Milwaukee diesel that the non-powered truck just snapped off which I fixed, and PLENTY of other repair projects that have all been waiting for me for YEARS. In fact the Milwaukee diesel has been broken about 20 years. It somehow wound up in the garage and was all filthy - so much so that I stripped it down to the bare chassis and washed everything but the darn motor armature in the kitchen sink with soap & water! I even washed the field coil. 

Anyway, I digress, once again THANKS now I can continue getting this precious engine back in service!

AL P

Sounds like fun to me! And it sounds like you seem to have things well in hand. I just finished restoring my Eeek!-bay 1666, which also had an unknown history - one wheel was off and totally reamed out, another wheel was suffering from zinc pest, broken gear teeth, etc. It is running smooth as silk now, might even be one of my best runners! Enjoy the restore!!!

AH! You bring up another topic - this "zinc" stuff. Normally, I disassemble the loco castings and hand wash each piece with a toothbrush and Fantastic followed by dish liquid in the kitchen sink. The filth that comes off is amazing. But I notice on the separate front piece cowcatcher and the cylinders have this grey look to them. After it was dry I brushed it with a brass wire brush and all this dust started coming off. I didn't see this on my other engines. It is still apart (waiting for side rods, e-unit parts, etc that were missing and I ordered on ebay) I wonder if there is anything that can be done.  I don't want to paint it because the main body shell really don't need to be painted and if I paint only the front it will not look too good. Of course I can just leave it as it looks like a heavily worn real working engine that has had a hard life - which it has! Natural weathering LOL. The wheels are fine. Someone else apparently had them off because they were mounted all mish-mosh and I was able to easily pop them off. I also washed them and cleaned up the steel rims. 

I'm just glad these items fell into my hands because no one else around here would have taken the time and expense to put these beauties back together and in service to be enjoyed as they should. I still wonder what lunatic ripped these things apart and then just left them like that. So far I think I spent more in parts than the cost of these engines but sometimes that's what it takes. People do this with cars all the time why not Lionels! Besides I'm having a great time doing this - thanks again!

GeoPeg posted:

fisherdoc posted:

Chuck Sartor posted:

The front of the engine is held by 2 tangs on the motor frame that lock into the front pilot assembly.

You guys are THE best! I got it now! THANK YOU!

Sometimes I get a little "stunada" plus I just finished  assembling a 2026 that was a basket case and between searching for parts for hours and working on this I am half blind LOL. Plus I am working on a 2037 that I found missing a lot of parts. At least the shells and motors are there LOL!

In addition to these gems, I am working on an 8855 MPC Milwaukee diesel that the non-powered truck just snapped off which I fixed, and PLENTY of other repair projects that have all been waiting for me for YEARS. In fact the Milwaukee diesel has been broken about 20 years. It somehow wound up in the garage and was all filthy - so much so that I stripped it down to the bare chassis and washed everything but the darn motor armature in the kitchen sink with soap & water! I even washed the field coil. 

Anyway, I digress, once again THANKS now I can continue getting this precious engine back in service!

AL P

Sounds like fun to me! And it sounds like you seem to have things well in hand. I just finished restoring my Eeek!-bay 1666, which also had an unknown history - one wheel was off and totally reamed out, another wheel was suffering from zinc pest, broken gear teeth, etc. It is running smooth as silk now, might even be one of my best runners! Enjoy the restore!!!

Those motors are GOOD runners.  I recently purchased a clean, nice Lionel 221, which looks to have the same motor.  I was surprised at how smooth and quiet she runs (after a good cleaning and lube).

fisherdoc posted:

GeoPeg posted:

fisherdoc posted:

Chuck Sartor posted:

The front of the engine is held by 2 tangs on the motor frame that lock into the front pilot assembly.

You guys are THE best! I got it now! THANK YOU!

Sometimes I get a little "stunada" plus I just finished  assembling a 2026 that was a basket case and between searching for parts for hours and working on this I am half blind LOL. Plus I am working on a 2037 that I found missing a lot of parts. At least the shells and motors are there LOL!

In addition to these gems, I am working on an 8855 MPC Milwaukee diesel that the non-powered truck just snapped off which I fixed, and PLENTY of other repair projects that have all been waiting for me for YEARS. In fact the Milwaukee diesel has been broken about 20 years. It somehow wound up in the garage and was all filthy - so much so that I stripped it down to the bare chassis and washed everything but the darn motor armature in the kitchen sink with soap & water! I even washed the field coil. 

Anyway, I digress, once again THANKS now I can continue getting this precious engine back in service!

AL P

Sounds like fun to me! And it sounds like you seem to have things well in hand. I just finished restoring my Eeek!-bay 1666, which also had an unknown history - one wheel was off and totally reamed out, another wheel was suffering from zinc pest, broken gear teeth, etc. It is running smooth as silk now, might even be one of my best runners! Enjoy the restore!!!

AH! You bring up another topic - this "zinc" stuff. Normally, I disassemble the loco castings and hand wash each piece with a toothbrush and Fantastic followed by dish liquid in the kitchen sink. The filth that comes off is amazing. But I notice on the separate front piece cowcatcher and the cylinders have this grey look to them. After it was dry I brushed it with a brass wire brush and all this dust started coming off. I didn't see this on my other engines. It is still apart (waiting for side rods, e-unit parts, etc that were missing and I ordered on ebay) I wonder if there is anything that can be done.  I don't want to paint it because the main body shell really don't need to be painted and if I paint only the front it will not look too good. Of course I can just leave it as it looks like a heavily worn real working engine that has had a hard life - which it has! Natural weathering LOL. The wheels are fine. Someone else apparently had them off because they were mounted all mish-mosh and I was able to easily pop them off. I also washed them and cleaned up the steel rims. 

I'm just glad these items fell into my hands because no one else around here would have taken the time and expense to put these beauties back together and in service to be enjoyed as they should. I still wonder what lunatic ripped these things apart and then just left them like that. So far I think I spent more in parts than the cost of these engines but sometimes that's what it takes. People do this with cars all the time why not Lionels! Besides I'm having a great time doing this - thanks again!

A lot of the pilots on Pre and Postwar Lionel steamers were NOT painted.  What might have been brushing off, in my experience, was mildew.  I have bought numerous steamers that had some white flaky stuff on them that I considered to be mildew.  It washed right off.  I'm not saying it's impossible, but I have yet to see zinc pest on pilots of any Lionel steamers, other than a few 700e's.  

fisherdoc posted:

GeoPeg posted:

fisherdoc posted:

 

 

Sounds like fun to me! And it sounds like you seem to have things well in hand. I just finished restoring my Eeek!-bay 1666, which also had an unknown history - one wheel was off and totally reamed out, another wheel was suffering from zinc pest, broken gear teeth, etc. It is running smooth as silk now, might even be one of my best runners! Enjoy the restore!!!

AH! You bring up another topic - this "zinc" stuff.

The wheels are fine. Someone else apparently had them off because they were mounted all mish-mosh and I was able to easily pop them off. I also washed them and cleaned up the steel rims. I still wonder what lunatic ripped these things apart and then just left them like that.

So far I think I spent more in parts than the cost of these engines but sometimes that's what it takes. People do this with cars all the time why not Lionels! Besides I'm having a great time doing this - thanks again!

In my case, the wheel simply had to be replaced. There was no recovering or restoring the broken and swollen teeth.

Ha! The lunatic you speak of might have been me at age 13 - when I completely wore the gears out on my poor old 602 Seaboard NW-2, it wouldn't even move in forward anymore, and just barely in reverse. So I did what any 13 year old would have done, I tore it apart! And let me tell you, it's not easy to reinstall the motor field rivets when all you have is a hammer - not to mention the wheels!

And the money - well, that's simply the price of admission to having fun!

One other thing, the motor armature made this horrible squealing on startup. Oiling the armature shaft where it goes thru the brush plate will always give 100% instant relief, but the oil goes away after a while - a common problem when you use bakelite as a bearing material.  I use JB Weld "Steel" epoxy to glue an appropriately sized Oilite sleeve to the face of the armature. That provides a much larger bearing surface and gives immediate relief from the noise problem. It also requires oiling far less often.