Lionel "Premium Smoke Fluid"

Marty,
Yes, the guys at Iron Horse recommended it and it does seem to work very well.
Mike

I think that's where Santa picked up mine too.

How does it compare to unscented Megasteam?

Is different from their 2 oz "Smoke Fluid" that they used to sell but seem to be out of now for a year?

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Is different from their 2 oz "Smoke Fluid" that they used to sell but seem to be out of now for a year?

Yes.

It doesn't have a "scent" but it does product copious amounts of smoke.

Interesting. I did a search on Lionel's site for "6-37841 Premium Smoke Fluid" and got no hits. But found some on the internet where I got the part number. So is this something they used to have...and then they had the present hit on Lionel's site which is out of stock called "6-62909 Smoke Fluid"...?

The 6-62909 Smoke Fluid is, ostensibly, the original 2909 fluid from the late 1950's.

Marty,

That first picture is AWESOME!!!!

Love all the smoke Marty. Very nice!

Wow Marty thats looks great,I'll have to
try some.

Marty the engine you have in this picture is one
I'm suppose to get for my birthday which is 15 days
away.If its possible can you post a short video so
I can here all the sounds this engine has.

THANK YOU ALEX

Huh have to look for some

There is a nipple on the top for doing drops but that pulls off so you can use the pipette instead of the dropper.

So I am incline to ask those with steam chest issues, what fluid are you using. I just added some Lionel fluid to my 844 and it is the best it has smoke in a long time.

Don't get me wrong I am a big Mega Steam user but I think I'm sticking with the Lionel fluid on my newer high end steamers.

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6-37841 Premium Smoke Fluid

Does anyone know where to go to purchase this product? Any online sources?

Thanks in advance,
Steve

Lionel Premium Smoke Fluid

Lionel Premium Smoke Fluid

Lionel Premium Smoke Fluid

Lionel Premium Smoke Fluid

Thanks Rob!

I purchased a bottle of this "premium" smoke fluid today at my LHS and I can say that I am very pleased. I have been using in my 700E, the MegaSteam "smoke pellet", regular Lionel smoke fluid and now this premium fluid.

The MS smell is OK and it smokes well, however, just like in the 700E instructions..they are correct- use Lionel smoke fluid for best performance. If your into scents, the MS is good, but as Marty pointed out this premium fluid is a really realistic and thick white smoke.

I have noticed that the smell from the premium fluid is not as strong as the regular Lionel fluid.

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Originally posted by CarGuyZM10:
How does it compare to unscented Megasteam?

In my observations and in my Lionel engines, it produces a much thicker white smoke.

My regular Lionel smoke fluid in my Lionel engine produces more smoke than MS as well. However, if I am in a scented mood, I use the MS.

Nothing new to me. I've been using the Lionel premium smoke fluid for months now.

Our LHS just got it in so it was fairly new to me. Pretty good stuff.

Wow what a difference it is compared to m, I picked some up today the premium Lionel smoke fluid and it creates huge blooms of smoke. My steam emissions on my new lionel engines is much improved over the ms. I'm sticking with the Lionel fluid from now on sorry ms but I just love those huge white plumes of smoke.mi will still buy ms but only use it for the diesels and conventional engines.

I also agree that the Lionel premium smoke fluid works better in the newer lionel smoke units. It produces thicker plumes and fog and does make a noticeable difference on the steam chest emmisions. My guess is lionel premium smoke fluid is the former tas turbo smoke fluid which kind of makes sense when you think about it.

Has anyone used the new Lionel fluid in MTH smoke units?

I've used seuthe smoke fluid for years. It smokes great. Kind of pricey though.
Steve

Marty, I use the Megasteam in my J1a with the cylinder steam effect. At first I wasnt getting much smoke, but then I thought about it and realized that since the smoke unit box serves both heating elements (stack and cylinders) and is twice the normal size, so I adjusted to that and put in twice the amount of fluid that I normally would, and now is smokes Megasteam-great again.

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Originally posted by StevieG:
I've used seuthe smoke fluid for years. It smokes great. Kind of pricey though.
Steve

I did that by accident one day, and discovered that it smokes extremely well in Lionel steamers. Thick, white smoke.

Another happy customer... And I'm not sure if coincidence but I seem to be getting more smoke rings with the fluid as well.

As I said above, I had very thin output from the cylinders for a bit until I doubled the amount of fluid due to the double size smoke box. I haven't seen the posts about issues with this cylinder effect aluded to, but maybe this info about adding more fluid will be helpful.

I just ordered some. When I was at lionel in Canfield they put some of it in my y6b. There is a huge difference between the premium and the regular which is what I had at home.

Thanks for posting the pics.

I'm going to try some of this when the order I placed arrives; just two points about the above thread;

1. Marty's latest pic shows his Lionel UP 844 steamer. Right out of the box mine was the MOST impressive smoker I have ever seen, using standard MTH scented fluid. It has a different smoke unit from other recent Lionel models - I think that the resistor is 6 ohms and for some reason this SMU is described in Lionel parts as "analog." Of course the AC regulator has burned out once but after replacement it worked just as well as before.

2. I didn't find the "premium" smoke fluid in the box with my Vision Challenger and you'd think that if the formula for it is specifically designed for recent model Lionel SMUs they'd have made a big point about saying so, if only to generate sales. I notice that in the manual for the newly released DD35A (mine hasn't arrived yet but a link to the manual was posted on this forum), it clearly says that for best results use Lionel smoke fluid but without specifying "premium" (or ethyl?). Be interested to see what's in that box when I get to open it . . .

I might have missed something? Did Lionel stop shipping smoke fluid with their engines?

My 3751 had no fluid and the Vision Line Hudson had no fluid?

Also, just a little off topic, why doesn't the Hudson have a place for battery backup in the tender? Once again, did I miss something?

Must have. Nothing in the S3 either.

Is "unscented" smoke TRULY without a smell? I love seeing the smoke billowing from an engine, but I never, ever use it because I absolutely detest the aroma of the smoke. For me, the smell of burning mineral oil is an awful stench. 

 

Last Christmas I did attempt running an engine with smoke. I obtained some Christmas tree scented Protosmoke. I did smell that holiday tree fragrance, but it was extremely unrealistic ... like the way Pinesol cleaning fluid doesn't actually smell like real pine at all. 

 

If there is an actual smoke fluid that emits NO AROMA whatsoever, I would love to know about it so I can finally run some of my engines with smoke.

 

I am also wondering if engine smoke might set off a smoke detector? I certainly would not want that to happen. 

 

Thanks for any info on this subject.

 

 

Terrence

Terrance,

 

Without having tried the new Lionel Premium fluid, I can say that every other fluid I've tried has a smell.  I find even MegaSteam's "Nada" has a strong smell that takes hours to dissipate.  My only option is to have a vent fan installed into the train room, with a vent directly to the outside(difficult to do because it is below grade).

 

In answer to your second question: I've smoked out my train room to the point where the people in Plasticville have had to use fog lights on their Corgi automobiles, and yet the neither the battery operated nor the hard-wired smoke detectors located immediately over the layout have ever been triggered.

 

Jon

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and yet the neither the battery operated nor the hard-wired smoke detectors located immediately over the layout have ever been triggered.

 

Most of the home smoke detectors are ionization type (they have a small amount of a radioactive isotope that us used to detect COMBUSTION particles).  They don't react to toy train smoke as there is no combustion, just an oil fog.  There are still optical detectors out there that will trip on the haze alone if it gets thick enough.  You probably should have at least one of each type in the house or use dual mode units.  Ionization units are better at detecting hotter and potentially faster burning fires while optical units do better with smokey/smoldering ones.

I like the new Lionel fluid. It does seem to have a better output when used with my Vision Line Hudson, as opposed to JT's excellent NADA Megasteam.

Lighthouse, get in touch with Chuck Sator at mizell (sp) trains he sent me 2 bottles in 2 days time. $oo

I love the plume from the cylinders...great pic