Lionel’s new Legacy H-10 has ruined all my other steam engines for me!

Nice problem to have! And nice to read something positive for a change.

Jeff T posted:

Nice problem to have! And nice to read something positive for a change.

Agreed Jeff, ......nice to here that Robert is enjoying himself! .....the belly aching tends to get old quick!.....enjoy it Robert! Have a blast!...run the wheels off that joker!.........Pat

If you think that is fun, Now you need a vision line Big Boy!  Use a temporary 072 fastrack on floor if your layout is too small...  I cant help with that pricepoint difference though!

I love hearing you are having fun with that H10.  i almost got one because i wanted something with the ringing bell feature.  But had to wait with just too many diesels i ordered are arriving soon.  

You get all the same features as a vision line Hudson for half the price.

These smoke units seem" stronger / better made "than previous units. 

It's that swinging bell....now I wish everything had it. Lionel executed it perfectly. One hit of the bell has it swing back and forth 3 times like a real bell where mass of the bell takes time for it to stop.

Lastly , the old Korean engineered tooling from early tmcc days allows full access to the gearbox and axle bushings with the simple removal of 3 screws and the pickup rollers.

RickO posted:

You get all the same features as a vision line Hudson for half the price.

These smoke units seem" stronger / better made "than previous units. 

It's that swinging bell....now I wish everything had it. Lionel executed it perfectly. One hit of the bell has it swing back and forth 3 times like a real bell where mass of the bell takes time for it to stop.

Lastly , the old Korean engineered tooling from early tmcc days allows full access to the gearbox and axle bushings with the simple removal of 3 screws and the pickup rollers.

That seems like a very important feature. Good on 'em!

Mark in Oregon

Got a "weathered" on the way, Can't wait!

I’m glad these are winners.  Maybe we can get some similarly sized/priced/featured steamers in other road names: NKP Consolidation?  ATSF Atlantic?

Once I fixed the issues with mine, it's a keeper.  I agree that it's pretty feature laden for the price point, a pleasant change from much of the recent Lionel offerings.

Robert,  

The Lionel H-10 Pennsylvania Lines and Western Allegheny are the best engines I have purchased in the last two years.  They actually run, and they are fun to watch.  There is great smoke from the stack and Whistle.  The bell moves smoothly without any hang-up.  I have a coal hauler set with the Pennsylvania #1773 H-10 coming soon.

Lionel should forget the big articulated engines for a while and give their repair technicians a rest.  This little engine pulls eleven of my 21" Lionel passenger cars with ease on O-72 or greater track.  The engine will run on practically anyone's layout.  I am taking mine to the old folks home when I go.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

It is too long compared to the prototype  but by how much?  I am curious to hear from those with an eye for this (perhaps due to owning other models of H10s) whether the extra length is noticeable.  I may still get one, but I really like the stout proportions of the PRR H10s consolidations and have an MTH so I am curious what others think. 

I have an MTH Atlantic and it is too long and the Lionel legacy version is closer to the correct size and now that I can see the difference I can't unseen it and don't want that with the Legacy h10.  So by how many scale feet is the Legacy h10 too long? 

John Rowlen posted:

Robert,  

The Lionel H-10 Pennsylvania Lines and Western Allegheny are the best engines I have purchased in the last two years.  They actually run, and they are fun to watch.  There is great smoke from the stack and Whistle.  The bell moves smoothly without any hang-up.  I have a coal hauler set with the Pennsylvania #1773 H-10 coming soon.

Lionel should forget the big articulated engines for a while and give their repair technicians a rest.  This little engine pulls eleven of my 21" Lionel passenger cars with ease on O-72 or greater track.  The engine will run on practically anyone's layout.  I am taking mine to the old folks home when I go.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

You know, this is a valid point. The issue of big engine releases vs. what a lot of folks' layouts are capable of handling ( and the duties they perform) appears quite often in other forums and in other scales. Case in point:

When Bachmann released a 2-6-0 in OO scale, it was widely applauded for that reason, and that it was kind of the first smaller tender engine ( not a tank type) that could perform a multitude of duties; up till then, it was mostly all colorful (they call it "eye candy") Pacific types and tank engines.

I suspect one of the reasons the Lionel Mogul was so highly anticipated (and unfortunately, such a disappointment), was more or less for the same reason; a small, do everything/anything type of steam engine: kind of a GP 9 in reverse! 

Big Boys, Challengers, Cab Forwards, etc., are wonderful and awesome to see in action, but unless you have the room (or access to a club layout) they can be hard to lever into a "typical" home-size layout. Maybe we could see more of these smaller locos being offered in the future.

Not looking to pick a fight here, just musing... 

Mark in Oregon

pennsy484 posted:

It is too long compared to the prototype  but by how much?  I am curious to hear from those with an eye for this (perhaps due to owning other models of H10s) whether the extra length is noticeable.  I may still get one, but I really like the stout proportions of the PRR H10s consolidations and have an MTH so I am curious what others think. 

I have an MTH Atlantic and it is too long and the Lionel legacy version is closer to the correct size and now that I can see the difference I can't unseen it and don't want that with the Legacy h10.  So by how many scale feet is the Legacy h10 too long? 

My old MTH Premier PRR H10s with PS2 and correct (side) window glazing has the following dimensions (as best I can measure):

Driver wheelbase = 4.25" = 204 inches full scale = 17 feet full scale

Overall wheelbase = 6.5625" = 315 inches full scale = 26 feet 3 inches full scale

Length (pilot beam/rear cab wall) = 9.25" = 444 inches fs = 37 feet full scale

Length (front coupler/rear cab roof) = 10.625" = 510 inches fs = 42-feet 6-inches fs

According to "Model Railroader Cyclopedia Volume 1 - Steam Locomotives" corresponding full scale dimensions are:

Driver wheelbase = 204.5 inches = 17 feet 0.5 inches

Overall wheelbase = 309.5 inches = 25 feet 9.5 inches

Length (pilot beam/rear cab wall) = 433.875" = 36 feet 1.875 inches

MELGAR

Is there a Western Maryland version?

No Western Maryland at this time in Lionel.  But with the success that Lionel is finding in this H-10, I would look for other road names.  Lionel is not shy in making "what If, imaginary engines".  After all, it's your railroad, your time period, and your call. 

"Everything on my imaginary railroad is real."

Sincerely, John Rowlen

pennsy484 posted:

It is too long compared to the prototype  but by how much?  I am curious to hear from those with an eye for this (perhaps due to owning other models of H10s) whether the extra length is noticeable.   So by how many scale feet is the Legacy h10 too long? 

Its noticably too much Jeff.

Melgar gives a measurement of 9.25" from pilot beam to the rear cab wall. The Lionel has a measurement of 9.25 from the front of the smokebox to the rear cab wall. This translates into too long of a wheel base as well.

Simply looking at pictures and videos of each model shows the differences quite clear without the need for a ruler.

In addition, the angle of the belpaire firebox is also too steep on the Legacy model.

This locomotive fits in the ranks of other early 2000's Lionels that were stretched beyond the prototype. The recent Legacy ( formerly TMCC) pacifics have a firebox that rivals that of a bigboy as well as the old TMCC K4.....& 1/2 that fortunately, Lionel was able to replace with the more correct K Line tooling for Legacy.

If your counting rivets ,the MTH is by far the way to go. I chose to back off on the rivet counting for the reasons I mentioned above.  For the money, the legacy version is feature rich and runs superb, Low speed performance is as good as it gets.

I thought someone posted these H-10s use the Harriman 2-8-0 chassis. If so thats probably why the wheelbase is off.

Pete

Waiting for a NKP version

Robert N posted:

This is my first Legacy engine mainly due to price and layout size. My problem is, ever since I purchased this engine, its the only one I want to run. It looks fantastic! It runs even better. The speed control is dead on. The sounds are superb! The bell and steam whistle effects are great. Lionel, please make more Legacy engines around this size and price point. Very satisfied customer. 

Robert

BTW, I run my layout all conventional. I’m using the blue tooth app to run the H-10. Love it!

Thanks everyone for great feedback. It looks like I scored the right engine. After visiting the lionel warehouse sale I picked mup the H-10 at the Lionel store at Carolina Mills. Can't wait to get everything going. I have a Berky, a 0-4-0 and a 2-8-0 so full up now on my small layout. I thought I could find a Heisley for my 036 radiius but Lionel has not seen one for awhile.

ROBERT Please send me a list of your orphan locomotives so I can make an offer if any grab me hahaha Nick

One of the reasons that I still miss Weaver is the number of diecast small steam locomotives that they had released with many railroad logos. They were not all scale but they would work on my layout. Another reason was the quantity of freight cars of various types and the quantity of logos of railroads and companies that were available. They were in the process of filling an order for me, still unfilled, when the closed shop and went out of business.