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Hi Soo Nut!

There was some work done on the Lionel SD-series units, specifically the SD40-2 that I had worked on for another friend.

Lowering Lionel SD40-2s

Unfortunately, it is one of the oldest that I've done and doesn't have a lot of details.  Also, it hasn't been revised for a smaller, more realistic Kadee box opening.  Even more unfortunate, is that since I lost all of my files and CAD drawings and measurement details, I am unable to redraw or modify them.  I also sent the locomotive back to the owner.

If you choose to go this path, good luck.

Thanks,

-Mario

Thanks for responding to Soo Nut's original post, Mario.  I was following this topic hoping you would reply.

To (possibly) complicate things a bit further, the SD38's include Lionel's newly-designed kinematic pilot, so there's a chance that the coupler opening is a different size than the older SD40-2 that you previously worked on.  Here's a front-end shot of my Reading & Northern SD38 with the new pilot...

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ok, so my guess is no...

Lionel SD38 vs. SD40-2
Lionel DM&I Legacy SD38 versus Lionel TMCC B&O SD40-2

 

The blue and orange rectangles are the same size on both sides, which tells me that the opening is smaller on the SD38...

As for the Lionel SD38 versus the Atlas GP35... no again.

Lionel SD38 vs. Atlas GP35
Lionel DM&I Legacy SD38 versus Atlas O GP35

 

Maybe the GP7 have a chance...

Lionel SD38 vs. Lionel GP7
Lionel DM&I Legacy SD38 versus Lionel Legacy GP7

 

Thanks,

- Mario

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CentralFan1976 posted:

Nice piece!

B&O SD40-2
B&O SD40-2

 

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DM&I SD38
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Reading & Northern SD38
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Conrail SD38
BN SD40

 

Is there a way to fix these pilots in place?

My guess is that the opening is narrower, but if you have a set of calipers, measure the opening (Height & Width), and I can tell you if this or another one is the same size.

Thanks,

-Mario

From the looks with the exception of the SD40-2 the pilots are already trimed back to fix the pilots. All you need to do is to remove that top piece and the fabrication a spacer.There is a possibility that the spacer for the dash 2 will work on the SD40. To give you an ideas about work around. I used an Atlas GP-35 mount for the Atlas SD40.

CentralFan1976 posted:

The SD38 scale coupler mounting kit is Lionel part #6802796800.

Scale Coupler Mounting Kit / SD38

 

The SD40 scale coupler mounting kit is Lionel part #6802274800.

Scale Coupler Mounting Kit / SD40

There ya go!

Who needs me?

We need you to stop lollie gaging and get back to designing mounts and spacers. LOL! The excuse cat ate my files doesn't get far here. 

We all need you, Mario!!  Yes, the Lionel scale coupler mounting kit solves the issue of installing the Kadees, but really does nothing for filling in the still-rather-large opening in the pilot like your coupler pockets do!

No offense whatsoever meant to Rich B's conversion job...those BN units look great with scale Kadees instead of the big claw.  But IMO they would look even better if those pilot holes were completely filled in!

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suzukovich posted:
CentralFan1976 posted:

The SD38 scale coupler mounting kit is Lionel part #6802796800.

Scale Coupler Mounting Kit / SD38

 

The SD40 scale coupler mounting kit is Lionel part #6802274800.

Scale Coupler Mounting Kit / SD40

There ya go!

Who needs me?

We need you to stop lollie gaging and get back to designing mounts and spacers. LOL! The excuse cat ate my files doesn't get far here. 

I'm dyin laughing!

been kinda busy...

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CNJ #1601 posted:

We all need you, Mario!!  Yes, the Lionel scale coupler mounting kit solves the issue of installing the Kadees, but really does nothing for filling in the still-rather-large opening in the pilot like your coupler pockets do!

No offense whatsoever meant to Rich B's conversion job...those BN units look great with scale Kadees instead of the big claw.  But IMO they would look even better if those pilot holes were completely filled in!

It's probably going to need this one... you'll have to trim the bottom tab off, but it should fit.  Measure it and I'll tell you...

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CentralFan1976 posted:
suzukovich posted:
CentralFan1976 posted:

The SD38 scale coupler mounting kit is Lionel part #6802796800.

Scale Coupler Mounting Kit / SD38

 

The SD40 scale coupler mounting kit is Lionel part #6802274800.

Scale Coupler Mounting Kit / SD40

There ya go!

Who needs me?

We need you to stop lollie gaging and get back to designing mounts and spacers. LOL! The excuse cat ate my files doesn't get far here. 

I'm dyin laughing!

been kinda busy...

IMG_9219

I know saw the update. That's pretty cool.

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