Lionel Shay 6-18023 (1992) dead, opinions on upgrade or bridge rectifier?

Any ideas???

Thanks,

Bob

If you tried reprogramming with no effect, usually the next step is to open it up and reseat the boards and look for pinched wires. The boards other than that particular audio board are readily available. No need to replace them all with a rectifier.

Pete

Norton posted:

If you tried reprogramming with no effect, usually the next step is to open it up and reseat the boards and look for pinched wires. The boards other than that particular audio board are readily available. No need to replace them all with a rectifier.

Pete,

This loco is pre-TMCC and pre-modular RailSounds. You can't reprogram or re-seat boards on these.

Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain the boards in these are unique, and weren't used elsewhere. Unfortunately, a quick online search didn't find anyone with the boards in stock.

My only advice would be to check all connections going to the board, as well as check the functionality of the speaker.

TRW

Ooops, my mistake. I had no idea Lionel made a shay this early. That said you should be able to upgrade it to TMCC as Lionel did later. Given the price of the new Legacy version I would think its worth the investment.

Pete

Todd, you’re very likely right.

This locomotive is one of a handful Samhongsa made in Korea under Mike Wolf’s direction, and used QSI boards and a much smaller RailSounds 1.0 board (both of which were uniquely sized to fit in such a crammed space). So finding replacements is going to be pretty difficult...

Send it to Jeffery at JDS and have him put Protosound 3 in it.

https://www.jdslimitedproductions.com

Scott Smith

I know years ago Mike Reagan put a TAS cruise unit in  Lionel Shays. Since those are no longer available you may want to see if the ERR cruise will fit along with railsounds (if Shay sounds are available), otherwise Protosound 3 is a good idea.

That engine has a small mabuchi motor. An ERR cruise lite should fit easily. Lionel still has the RS 4 boards for the later WM shay if you wanted correct sounds.

Pete

A good solution then. While mine has the TAS board, not the ERR, it is the slowest and smoothest loco I own which includes numerous Legacy and MTH late PS 2 and 3. I suppose that is due to the gearing.

Norton posted:

That engine has a small mabuchi motor. An ERR cruise lite should fit easily. Lionel still has the RS 4 boards for the later WM shay if you wanted correct sounds.

Pete

 

I suspect any small reverse unit would suffice just to return basic operation.  For command operation the ERR CC Lite might be the only alternative that will fit inside.  Anything currently available used to replace the existing sound should be a big improvement over 1992 tech. Maybe Dallee for conventional and ERR for TMCC.  ERR doesn't offer shay specific sounds......hence the Dallee suggestion.

Bruce

Thanks for the great suggestions. I will check into your recommendations.

Thanks again,

Bob

ERR uses a Lionel Radio board so you can use any RS4 board, even RS5 that Lionel will sell you. They still offer the Railsounds board for Western Maryland #6 that came out in the later '90s. The downside is this board also requires a motherboard and audio power board. These fit in the later tender. 

The current generation of ERR Railsounds boards are tiny by comparision but you give up the specific sound set for the shay. 

Pete

Thanks Pete!

Bob

On the inside of most of the early rail sounds 1 boards there is a nob. If turn it slowly, the sounds turn on. I had this issue with my 1990 Lionel 700e Hudson.

If you can not find a "nob" look for a Knob instead.

I have the Lionel Western MD shay (early TMCC or Pre?) that was converted to Proto3.  It runs real well and is one of my favorite engines (having seen it in action at Cass WV) Western MD Shay at Cass