Well here's a happy treat for a dreary Wednesday. Two models with water scoop effects, you say? 🤔

i think the pacemaker scheme would look good with the the pt tender  with water scoop effect.   i wish the renderings were a little better, the gray one looks a bit odd.

me want this🤗

Good to see.....

why does the nyc lines version have the shiny side rods?

I think it’s great, but we now have more Hudson’s that ever road the rails……..lol

just like Hogans Hero’s the show ran longer than WWII

I think it's going to be #5401 for me. Black + water scoop effect? Yes, please.

" Retooled boiler for finer more accurate details than ever before".

Hmm....the " rest " of the K Line hudson?

I may have to eat crow and buy just 1 more new Lionel engine. 🤔

@RickO posted:

" Retooled boiler for finer more accurate details than ever before".

Hmm....the " rest " of the K Line hudson?

I may have to eat crow and buy just 1 more new Lionel engine. 🤔

Good catch Rick. I had missed the new boiler statement.

Pete

Very nice. I'm thinking the Pacemaker version would look great with my K-Line Pacemaker heavyweight passenger cars.

So, is the PT Tender version more of a fantasy scheme?  Stupid question, but which engine # is the replica of the historical 700E that Lionel originally released?

@pbuff posted:

So, is the PT Tender version more of a fantasy scheme?  Stupid question, but which engine # is the replica of the historical 700E that Lionel originally released?

A number of J1s acquired PT tenders in the later years. This one below is 5344, same cab number as the original 700E.  

L2531270

Pete

@pbuff posted:

So, is the PT Tender version more of a fantasy scheme?  Stupid question, but which engine # is the replica of the historical 700E that Lionel originally released?

No, the NYC updated their aging fleet of J1 Hudsons with the PT tenders to increase their distance range.
To answer your second question, #5344 is the number you’re looking for. The real 5344 was the last J1e built for NYC and was later turned into the Commodore Vanderbilt. Definitely an iconic locomotive.

Edit: looks like I got beaten to the punch! Oh well, hope this info still helps.

@ThatGuy posted:

I think it’s great, but we now have more Hudson’s that ever road the rails……..lol

just like Hogans Hero’s the show ran longer than WWII

The Central proper rostered well over 200 of them….think closer to 300, …..so,…never enough Hudsons ……😁

Pat

@tom21pa posted:

i think the pacemaker scheme would look good with the the pt tender  with water scoop effect.   i wish the renderings were a little better, the gray one looks a bit odd.

Full size images are on Lionel.com, the gray one (2501330) has a somewhat greenish tint to it.

@ed h posted:

Full size images are on Lionel.com, the gray one (2501330) has a somewhat greenish tint to it.

yea thats what i meant, looks greenish.  i think ill just go with a black version since i have a vision niagara in the gray paint

@RickO posted:

" Retooled boiler for finer more accurate details than ever before".

Hmm....the " rest " of the K Line hudson?

I may have to eat crow and buy just 1 more new Lionel engine. 🤔

We’ll have to see if the new model has the lagging clamps atop the boiler, ….Kline is the only one to get it right, …..there should be a thin seam atop of the boiler, and lagging clamps holding the skins together,……if they left that detail intact, than more than likely it’s a reborn Kline, ….which would be fine by me!!…..Kline’s die cast boiler shell almost outshines anything in brass, save for a Koh’s ….

did anyone notice the model that doesn’t have class lights??….nice touch!!..

Pat

My apologies if I missed it, but do we have an estimated delivery date yet?

@BlueComet400 posted:

My apologies if I missed it, but do we have an estimated delivery date yet?

Just watched the Ryan and Dave presentation. Estimated delivery is later in 2025.

One thought on the lack of class lights on one version, that would have applied to the PT tender version as well as those came along well after the class lights came off.

Pete

@harmonyards posted:

The Central proper rostered well over 200 of them….think closer to 300, …..so,…never enough Hudsons ……😁

Pat

Spoken like a Hudson guy………lol

i feel the same way about nycta subway trains…….lmao

still a nice engine

"One thought on the lack of class lights on one version, that would have applied to the PT tender version as well as those came along well after the class lights came off.

Pete"

Pete, I thought the same thing!  Except that the photo I have of 5401 with the PT tender still shows the class lights intact.  I had permission from the Museum to publish that photo in the Vision promotional video but to avoid any complications, here is a link to the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania's archives so you can view for yourself without having to hit pause.  https://rrmuseumpa.andornot.ne...01&p=1&ps=20  As usual, not everything got changed the day the railroad said it should.

Hope you all enjoy the new release!  I thought I'd check in quick to gauge initial reactions but now it's back to work!  Dave and I are both doing our best to keep up with direct emails about this and other projects.  Please understand we are absolutely inundated in planning and execution to make sure our 125th year goes down as one of the best in Lionel's history.  We may not be quite as quick on the reply to emails or regulars on the Forum as we normally like to be.

Ryan, you are right, many photos of 5401 with a PT tender and class lights. Only catch it had the somewhat unique PT2 tender which I don’t believe anyone has modeled yet.

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/browse?tags=%235401

Keep up the good work guys.

Pete

ryan, perhaps since its lionels anniversary. you could do a reissue of the 50th anniversary set from the tmcc era with the new 5344 engine of course.

What road the engine was assigned to also plays a role on whether or not the locomotive carried class lights, ….some subs carried class lights till the end of steam. Engines assigned to Big Four territory had class lamps up to the end….

Pat

@Lionelzwl2012 posted:

ryan, perhaps since its lionels anniversary. you could do a reissue of the 50th anniversary set from the tmcc era with the new 5344 engine of course.

These cars are in the most recent catalog, lettered "Lionel Lines." The name on the observation is Concord instead of Sager Place, and the diner's name is Chesterfield instead of Hillside. Other than that, they appear to be very similar to the set that was issued in 2003. If you want NYC cars, there's always the "28th Anniversary" set made by K-Line and available on the secondary market. Both sets look great behind a Hudson.

bluecomet400, I have the 50th anniversary set if you recall. I was thinking of getting the new stationsounds dinner that was offered.

not sure I will be able to get the new vl hudson,but I am going to try. I would get the same road number as came in the set 5344.

that being said I could change my mined and get one with the pt tender. that would be cool.

either way I would have a modern set that had all the latest bells and whistles. I would still keep the original set engine as it belongs with the anniversary set.

I am glad to see the return of the Lionel Hudson, I’ll  have to get 1… Happy 125th Anniversary to the Lionel Team.

@Lionelzwl2012 posted:

bluecomet400, I have the 50th anniversary set if you recall. I was thinking of getting the new stationsounds dinner that was offered.

not sure I will be able to get the new vl hudson,but I am going to try. I would get the same road number as came in the set 5344.

that being said I could change my mined and get one with the pt tender. that would be cool.

either way I would have a modern set that had all the latest bells and whistles. I would still keep the original set engine as it belongs with the anniversary set.

Wasn't the loco in the 2003 50th Anniversary a J3A, number 5433?

Maybe in the delivered version the drivers are blackened?

@BlueComet400 posted:

Wasn't the loco in the 2003 50th Anniversary a J3A, number 5433?

Yes, …the set engine is # 6-38041, same engine as J3a 6-28072, but the 38041 ( 5433 ) was equipped with Boxpok drivers, and no class lights …..both engines are built like tanks!!…..

Pat

@leapinlarry posted:

I am glad to see the return of the Lionel Hudson, I’ll  have to get 1… Happy 125th Anniversary to the Lionel Team.

If you get one Larry, it’ll have a high benchmark to exceed……😉

Pat

Pat, the pressure is on. I'm probably going to order one as well....maybe 2. I'm not one for fantasy paintjobs, but the Pacemaker is hard for me to to resist. Like you said, there's never enough Hudsons.

Is the yet-announced LCCA version (with ties to Lionel history according to Ryan) a #773?

yes I stand corrected. just got the road number backwards from memory. now how to get the money. I sold most all the stuff I did not want in my collection. so cant get funds there.

@Rider Sandman posted:

Is the yet-announced LCCA version (with ties to Lionel history according to Ryan) a #773?

The LCCA Hudson will be gray and scale not a semi scale 773.

Pete

Well, what a great birthday surprise. @Conrail6358 Ryan must have know my birthday was going to be the release date on this new Hudson. I have not had a chance to have a look at the catalog, but I did watch the video release on it as my phone said I needed to have a look.

I am guessing that the order close date would be whenever the 2025 V1 Catalog would be? Or is that wrong? What was it with the Triplex's?

@harmonyards @Norton Yeah, never enough Hudson's.

@Conrail6358 posted:

Hope you all enjoy the new release!  I thought I'd check in quick to gauge initial reactions but now it's back to work!  Dave and I are both doing our best to keep up with direct emails about this and other projects.  Please understand we are absolutely inundated in planning and execution to make sure our 125th year goes down as one of the best in Lionel's history.  We may not be quite as quick on the reply to emails or regulars on the Forum as we normally like to be.

Really nice engines Ryan.  Can you elaborate on the whistle differences?  In the video you said one was more traditional, I believe the 5344 and the rest more scale like.  Looking at the catalog illustrations I'm not sure I see the differences.

Thanks.  You guys are really hurting my wallet lately.

I am really digging 5320 & 5401 but I am also wondering what custom runs are going to come. The blackened side rods look fantastic. Pat is to blame for me loving that on locomotives.

I'm usually not one for the fantasy schemes, but I'm pretty happy to see no. 5340 again (a bit of tribute to some more recent modern-era Lionel history) and that paint scheme is extremely eye-catching.

Otherwise, I'm genuinely happy to see an old friend back. The Hudsons have always been a favorite (having owned many over the years), and at that price and all the updated features this new one is extremely hard to resist. I might actually get two of these instead of one.