Lionmaster Lightning Speed?

N&W 1218 posted:

Just got my Lionel Lionmaster Class A today. Awesome engine. Sounds are right out of the Y6b. Smokes great, whistle steam is great. Runs great, actually too great. This thing flies. Can't watch it at speed step 200. 

What's going on with the Lionmaster speed? Low end speeds are too fast and high end speeds are off the charts. Is this something new? I can't MU with my other Legacy engines either? The engine module sets the engine as a Pullmore Steam engine. I tried to find something to slow it down, no luck. 

Jon do you have any advice? 

Try changing it to a "Legacy" engine.

It's on Legacy 

Hit the button under the down arrow. Then scroll to steam.

 

 

No offense here guys but I'm not new to Legacy. As I stated in my first post, I tried to set the engine to other engine types, STEAM, DIESEL, SWITCHER, ETC. 

None of those types made a difference. The manual states to set it up like the module did. PULLMORE STEAM, LEGACY, LEGACY SOUNDS

I need someone else who got one of these engines to jump in please! Thanks!

Offhand, I'd say there's an encoder issue and it's getting the wrong counts from the flywheel encoder.

GUNRUNNERJOHN,

Sounds like a trip back to Lionel? Is this something I can repair?

I'm confused on why I couldn't MU with another engine? Wierd!

Here's a video with the speed issue at the end. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs6RYDcNGac

That's fast!, great whistle though.

" Low end speeds are too fast and high end speeds are off the charts."

I saw no problem with the low end speed. And, since Class A's could really roll....

I can live with the issue. I'm just not use to that fast of a Legacy engine. I want to know if the operation is normal?

Did they include a module chip? 

Yes. It sets the engine type as PULLMORE STEAM, LEGACY, & LEGACY SOUNDS

Here is what I would do

1. Set it as a dream engine

2.  Do the Factory reset in the manual

 otherwise it might be returning for repairs

What's the 6-number.  For the life of me I can't understand why it would be set for a Flyer / Pullmor.

 

Weird.  That would be a first for me.

Marty,

It's got me stumped. 

I did change the engine to STEAM type and it would MU as a train with another legacy engine. I didn't hook them together. They noticeably moved at different speeds. The lead 1218 was out of the box quick. 

This is odd for sure.  Possibly by chance the wrong instructions with it?

What info is on the head of the module?

When I get mine in a week I will figure mine out

I would try setting it to steam like normal

Tim, 

Set it to ALL types and NO CHANGE IN SPEED. Manual is for this engine. I'm calling Lionel in the morning to see if I can get some answers. 

Talked to Tech Support this am. They want to see a video so I emailed them the link. Stay tuned!

in the meantime, anyone else get this engine?

I'd love to hear what the idea of Flyer / PULLMOR is.  That would be the first time I've seen that in an O Gauge, can motored engine. 

Thanks for the update.  I look forward to the reply.

Mine arrives next week and I will see what happens 

 

I ordered 1212. Haven't heard anything about delivery yet.

No, you can't, and no, it's not. What the problem is I don't know (I don't have Legacy - just TMCC - running some Legacy locos, though), but if sending it back is necessary, it's worth it.

Kevin

My 1218 is in the mail as well, so you certainly have my attention with how you work this out.

Larry

 

Someone is reporting it with an 0-8-0 set as well.  Same configuration.  Something is wrong.  It should be able track speed with other Legacy units.  I wonder if it got the wrong programming.  I wouldn't "live" with it.

 I have a Wabash 0-8-0 with the same issue. Didn't catch it when I loaded the module in the remote. Tried running it with my I Pad and noticed the Flyer Pullmor listed with the engine on the roster menu. Reset the engine in the remote to a Steam Switcher. Runs much like yours. I have an older model Legacy  0-8-0. When that one is running at speed step 10 on the remote. The Wabash is keeping pace with it at speed step 1. If you use the RR speed icons. The first one is suppose to be about yard speed. It's running at passenger train speed. So fast the chuffs aren't even distinguishable. I've contacted Lionel but they haven't been much help. The have me trying an engine reset and now want me to try it in conventional.

The setting for Flyer/Pullmor is correct.  The setting configures the locomotive class, which mainly configures the Cab-2 to work with this loco's electronics package.  If you set it for Legacy Steam, it will work the same way.   The electronics uses BEMF motor feedback and won't lash up with locomotives with encoders, which is why the type is set as described. 

The reason we went this route, is the space is limited inside of these locomotives and the Standard Legacy electronics would not have physically fit inside the product.  We felt that product was desirable, and thus decided to deliver the product with the electronics we have available.

SantaFeFan posted:

The setting for Flyer/Pullmor is correct.  The setting configures the locomotive class, which mainly configures the Cab-2 to work with this loco's electronics package.  If you set it for Legacy Steam, it will work the same way.   The electronics uses BEMF motor feedback and won't lash up with locomotives with encoders, which is why the type is set as described. 

The reason we went this route, is the space is limited inside of these locomotives and the Standard Legacy electronics would not have physically fit inside the product.  We felt that product was desirable, and thus decided to deliver the product with the electronics we have available.

So this does not have all of the Legacy features??

SantaFeFan posted:

The setting for Flyer/Pullmor is correct.  The setting configures the locomotive class, which mainly configures the Cab-2 to work with this loco's electronics package.  If you set it for Legacy Steam, it will work the same way.   The electronics uses BEMF motor feedback and won't lash up with locomotives with encoders, which is why the type is set as described. 

The reason we went this route, is the space is limited inside of these locomotives and the Standard Legacy electronics would not have physically fit inside the product.  We felt that product was desirable, and thus decided to deliver the product with the electronics we have available.

So what's in the Lionmaster Challenger 6-82694 ? About the same physical size...

Thanks Jon. At least it's no longer a mystery. Learn something new everyday. I imagine without knowing this one could be rather confused on its operation being so different from standard encoder engines. So I assume this is the same programming for the 0-8-0 that was reported to have a different speed curve?  

Was there any information in the manual alerting a user to the difference?   

Seems like the catalog could have more useful (important) information...

cjack posted:

SantaFeFan posted:

The setting for Flyer/Pullmor is correct.  The setting configures the locomotive class, which mainly configures the Cab-2 to work with this loco's electronics package.  If you set it for Legacy Steam, it will work the same way.   The electronics uses BEMF motor feedback and won't lash up with locomotives with encoders, which is why the type is set as described. 

The reason we went this route, is the space is limited inside of these locomotives and the Standard Legacy electronics would not have physically fit inside the product.  We felt that product was desirable, and thus decided to deliver the product with the electronics we have available.

So what's in the Lionmaster Challenger 6-82694 ? About the same physical size...

and it goes nice and slooooo...

All Legacy features but the speed control is not the same.

 

I'll get mine on Sunday.  I'll be able to judge for myself.

jon, if I understand you correctly, I can set it to Legacy loco or Flyer/pullmor with the same result?

  I bought my 0-8-0 expecting the same performance as the recently released Pennsy B6 switcher. A small engine. Which I have run but do not own. One of the best running engines I've seen.  The wire tether I thought was a huge improvement making it pretty much impossible to stall out.

 I planned to use my 0-8-0 in pusher service as a rd. helper. Looks like I can't do that. 

 Doesn't switch the yard as good as my old Odyssey 0-8-0 or Legacy 0-8-0 from a few years ago.

  Looks like I bought an 800 dollar lemon.

Thanks for the heads up guys, looks like I won't be purchasing any of these locos. So how do you know what locos have that non encoder board and which do not?