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I have a question that I would like to ask the forum group?

 

1) Is there any place that a person could go, and find where different steam locomotives were assigned/assign routes?

This not referring to the today excursion routes, I'm talking of the 40's/50's back in the day!

 

I use to have a Mirad of old pictures that my step father shot from his old diaphram Kodak, in the 40's/50's. Gathering photos from Louisville to St.Louis, then between Louisville and Danville  Ky,

then on thru the south in Tennessee, Georgia and the Carolina's.

 

We've had several discussions of what use to run where, and then why a certain locomotive couldn't run here, there, and Yonder!

I've looked everywhere on the web that I know to search, and haven't found anything, up to, and including following leads from other site forum folks, and some other club members suggestions.

 

Before our last move to Ashland, Ky back in the early eighties, I had these old photos that my step dad had photographed, and when discussing some of the engines that I had seen in the Louisville Jeffersonville New Albany areas, I could pull them out of the old proverbial box, and show proof.

 

I haven't seen, or found this old box of photos in many years, and I fear them lost in our last move, of the 80's. My family and I left Southern Indiana like Gypsies in the night, as I went to work one Friday morning, and was told if I wanted to keep a job with my company, to be in Ashland, Ky Monday morning. Well needless to say that is some sour fodder, for another discussion. 

 

This is why I was trying to find a sight, I could possibly find, what Fallen Flag Railroad Locomotives ran where, and when!

 

Any help and direction, would be much appreciated, and thank you in advance .................................Brandy!

 

 

 

 

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"HOT", I tried everything that I know, including your suggestion, from the very 1st. One gentleman, told me to look harder for my "lost photos", , then proceeded to tell me, just to move some more boxes around in the basement or attic, and I probably find what I was looking for, and his note was very sarcastic too boot!

I wasn't to **** long in figuring out why profanity existed, but I just kept my sarcasm to myself, thanked and moved on.

 

My wife asked me last night if I were looking for the "Magic Pill", to find my answer for finding this info. I said "No", I had already found that one, and it was in the Medicine Cabinet, but I keep getting it mixed up with my Aleve, as both are blue, and about the same size.

She is a retired school teacher(science/math), I've known for sometime now, living with her, why I had so much problem with school teachers!

 

There is a new group I understand, in Clifton Forge C&O Historical Society, and I just may check in with those folks when I'm there next month, to see if they have any new found info. 

I was able to do a show and tell with both books I received Xmas last year, and that was "Track Side Around Louisville", (East/West).

 

"HOT" you are always an extremely good source of info, and I'll appreciate your help and suggestions....................................................Brandy!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Are they of a particular RR or different RRs?  I could try to help if they involve ACL or SAL  because of the ACL/SAL Historical Society (I have all the copies of Lines South  magazine they put out each quarter).

 

Many times the engines will have a stencil painted on the pilot of what Division or Sub-Division they were assigned to, at least the SAL did it with theirs.

Bob, thanks for the reply, but no, these were particular railroad's. NYC in Louisville(Big 4) in particular. I also have a copy of the C&O Volume 1, that host a great deal of locomotives of all the railroads, that serviced Louisville back in the day freight/passenger, as well as showing street running to and from Central/Union Station's in the Louisville area.

Question came up discussing, whether or not NYC had the big H-10's or Hudson's in Louisville! I remember seeing each, in Louisville/Jeffersonville Station's, and yards in the late 40's early fifties, as a kid. Without some proof it's just a "Mexican Stand off", in conversations.

 

The same conversation, a guy told me that C&O had their H-8's haul fast freight in Louisville! Well that would happen, as they wouldn't fit thru the first tunnel leaving Ashland, Ky, nor the Williams Creek Tunnel at Rush,Ky. It would be like getting the Tomatoe in the "Hunt's Ketchup Bottle" commercial that's on TV.

 

I do appreciate your help, and thanks again!............................Brandy!    

 

 

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The only railroad I am familiar with that published a detailed quarterly locomotive assignment sheet was the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy. It was broken down by "Lines East" and "Lines West" (of the Missouri River), then by Divisions. Each locomotive was listed by number, class, and in the case of steam locomotives, fuel, FWH. It was a treasure trove of information and it was easy to trace such succulent details as when 4-6-4-s #4002 and #4003 moved to Lincoln, NE and were converted to oil burning (Jan '51) or where early center cab diesels were hiding! 

Thanks a lot Mark! We do some tripping around the country since retirement, and I may take a run up in Indiana. I understand they have the last NYC "L3a Mohawk" in existence at their Museum. Not for sure where it is, but will do some PC search, and find out where it is. They may have something or know of someone, who would have answers, as well as pictures, to back up what I'm looking for.

I know for certain NYC dropped passenger service into Louisville at Old Central/7th Street Station, late 40's, then Southern Railway, Monon, B&O, I.C.. NYC freight leaving the area, after the Penn/Central Merger. I think that was in the early to mid sixties. I might be wrong on that,but that's what I remember!.....Thanks Brandy!

 

Not unlike what "Hot Water" suggested from the git go!

 

I found the L3a it's in Elkhart, Indiana. and I'll try them!

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One nice thing about the Western Maryland Rwy., and all the documentation, books, articles done on the road, is that it's easy to determine what steam engines ran where.
In the 1940s and 50s (steam ended in 1954) WM only used about 6 wheel arrangements, and each loco class had its own role.
In example:

4-8-4s, 4-6-6-4s, 2-10-0s = heavy road engines, found between Connellsville,PA., Cumberland, MD., Hagerstown,MD., and Lurgan/Rutherford,PA.(Reading RR connection)
2-8-0s, found on Cumberland-Elkins,WV or Hagerstown-Baltimore main, larger classes used system-wide as road engines or helpers, smaller classes used on coal branches or yard/ local switchers.

4-6-2s, passenger engines

0-6-0s, yard switchers/locals
The oddballs of WM's steam fleet, the 2 Shays, 10 Russian Decapod 2-10-0s, and a few WWI vintage Mallets, were all inactive or scrapped by 1950. No steam switchers remained by 1952.

As a 25+ year member of the WMRHS, the info and documentation maintained by the society has been invaluable for many modelers/researchers to accurately portray the old "Wild Mary"

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Jaygee, I got both East, and West Trackside Around Louisville 2 years ago Xmas. They are both great books, and brought back a lot of memories from my child hood of bicycling around Louisville in the late 40's-60's. Watching Steam and Diesel.

 

I'm trying to make some contacts in the NYC Historical Society, that maybe can hook me up with some info and photo's, or at least direct me to someone who has, some of the NYC on Louisville............................Thanks Brandy!

 

 

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