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Well, it finally arrived at the office. First, a little bit of background.

I've visited Big Boy #4014 on several occasions at the LA County Fairgrounds. When the rumor began circulating that Union Pacific wanted to restore a Big Boy, I figured that #4014 was a prime candidate as in my discussions with the Rail Giants Museum people I found out they had done some key things to aid in preserving the locomotive -- removing the asbestos from the boiler jacket, removing the pistons from the cylinders and keeping the would-be souvenirs securely stored. Apparently UP thought so and approached Rail Giants about it. I later confirmed with them at Fullerton Rail Days that UP was buying it an providing trade-in equipment. That led me to E-mail Midge at MTH regarding producing the "as-restored" #4014 since they had all of the requisite tooling. When they announced it in the 2015V1 catalog, I had to buy one and because of the significance of this particular locomotive (and the ability to run on my planned 42" minimum radius) meant scale wheels were in order. MTH refers to it as oil-fired in their catalog, though I prefer "as restored" since the plan (per the UP and Rail Giants people) is to oil fire the locomotive like the Challenger.

To start with, the locomotive is nicely detailed (lack of a tail beam aside). Lettering is clear and sharp including markings for the high-pressure water testing on 6-15-2015, There's a deck plate between the cab and tender (I left it down for the testing). The whistle supposedly smokes but I didn't test that feature. Slow speed running is great and it ran along at 2 scale miles per hour right out of the box without stuttering.

The Good:

  • Nice detail
  • Great sound
  • Smooth running
  • Negotiates sharper curves than it really should provided there's nothing for the boiler to hit (the unit did kiss a tunnel portal on the way back to the staging yard).
  • Smokes like crazy.
  • 2-rail/3-rail compatibility. Ran it in 2-rail mode on the test track before putting on the rollers and testing it on the layout.
  • DCS/DCC compatibility. It will probably do some track time with the Orange County O Scalers modular group under DCC.

 

The Bad:

  • Without cleaning up our track work and removing every kink, dip and rise, it won't see a lot of track time at AGHR, but it will make an appearance this weekend.
  • It's heavy and a bit tricky to handle. I'm thinking about making a roll-in/roll-out transport case for it.
  • Most expensive locomotive I've purchased -- the train slush fund took a major hit with this one. Interestingly enough, I've seen two two-rail units listed in the secondary market already above MSRP.

 

The Ugly:

  • Yellow LED classification lights. Should be white or green. I may change them out after the warranty expires.

 

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Looks really good Matt the scale wheels look so much better, let me know how it pulls? my 2 rail Hudson is to light, i'll have to add weight'.

Once again thank you for showing me around the AGHR club, really enjoyed meeting the members there. Meeting laidoff sick and visiting him and his family the day before was a treat 

Thankyou Matt and Doug

Clem k 

john dellagrotte posted:

Matt, What do you think about the doors in the cab being fixed in the open position. I also bought the Big Boy 4014. I got the high rail version with the piggyback set. I am dissapointed that for 1590$ that the doors don't open and close. When I ordered it back in January, I talked to Rich and he said they would open. Are they easy to take off? Thanks John

I'll have to take another look at it Saturday. From past experience, the "set" locomotives are slightly different from the individual sale locomotives (CNW E4 passenger set vs. E4 separate-sale locomotive).

AGHRMatt posted:
Hot Water posted:

 Funny that the model has been converted to oil burning, yet the coal stoker designation is still shown on the sides of the cab, i.e. MB.

I thought the 540MB referred to the driver loading of 540,000 pounds.

Well, yes the 540 is the weight on drivers, i.e. 540,000 pounds. However, the "MB" designates the type of Standard Stoker, i.e. model MB, as compared to HT. For example, when Challenger #3985 was converted to oil burning, that stoker designation, "MB" was removed from each side of the cab.

Nice Matt! 

I just got mine today also and I am very happy with it. I'm really happy with the sounds. It doesn't sound like a kid rolling down the street with the base thumping like Lionel does. I'll get the marker lights change soon also. 

I was thinking of making a coal load that I can take on and off. 

 

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Matt, that is nice!  I am a little jealous, Please give us a video of it pulling some cars.  I seen what they done to cover the coal, looks like a simple fix to convert it to oil. I may do it both ways, coal under the plate that can covered up. it does not look that difficult to make. 

On another note, if they never finish her and not use oil, I have a large can opener you can borrow and a bag of coal and also some glue. 

 

If they do finish it with oil, I will make some resin casting of the top oil tank cover and sell them for an obnoxious price. 

And Have a Merry Christmas and Train filled new year.

Ralph4014 posted:

Nice Matt! 

I just got mine today also and I am very happy with it. I'm really happy with the sounds. It doesn't sound like a kid rolling down the street with the base thumping like Lionel does. I'll get the marker lights change soon also. 

I was thinking of making a coal load that I can take on and off. 

Would you then add the firebox ash pans too?

 

 

I have a carrying case that is three piece, with the top halves clam-shelled.  A leather strap goes completely under it, so even if a hinge lets go I still have a locomotive.

Gersh Thompson invented and patented a "drive-it-in" carrying case.  A bit complicated, but I can hook you up if that is the way you want to go.

My case is good for 17/64 Cab Forwards, which are almost as big as a 1/4"scale Big Boy (drivers are 66" in 1/4" scale).  If we ever get together, I will be happy to show it to you.

I pick large articulated models up very carefully, with fingers on the front cylinders and rear cab (and vice versa for cab forwards).  I always use a track board if I am carrying them more than about three feet.

Nice model!  We sure have come a long way in O Scale!

bob2 posted:

I have a carrying case that is three piece, with the top halves clam-shelled.  A leather strap goes completely under it, so even if a hinge lets go I still have a locomotive.

Gersh Thompson invented and patented a "drive-it-in" carrying case.  A bit complicated, but I can hook you up if that is the way you want to go.

My case is good for 17/64 Cab Forwards, which are almost as big as a 1/4"scale Big Boy (drivers are 66" in 1/4" scale).  If we ever get together, I will be happy to show it to you.

I pick large articulated models up very carefully, with fingers on the front cylinders and rear cab (and vice versa for cab forwards).  I always use a track board if I am carrying them more than about three feet.

Nice model!  We sure have come a long way in O Scale!

Sorry I missed you a couple of Friday's ago when I was down there. Didn't have your E-mail address so I couldn't let you know I was coming down. By the way, the 2-rail layout was running well. I'm planning to come back down in a couple of months, but on the next trip I'd like to see how some of my larger locomotives operate on a 2-rail layout.

Thanks for the great review Matt!  Since I don't see a start date in sight for building my P:48 layout we've been entertaining the thought of a nice garden RR also.   Looking for reliable power that can pull a nice long colorful reefer train.

Have to keep an eye out MTH and 3rd rail for some road power for the new garden RR.

Austin Bill posted:

Thanks, for the pictures, Matt.  Will stay tuned. How did it do on the club 3 rail curves, over switches, etc?  Are your curves 072?   Some video would be great. 

You're welcome.

It actually did better than expected -- not because of curve sharpness, but because of kinks or dips in the curves that have come into the layout due to temperature shifts over the past several years. It did go through a couple of O-72 turnouts just fine and, or course, had no problem with straights or the big sweeping curves along the back wall. My plans for a home layout call out for at least a 42" minimum but I'm going to try for 72" (that's O-84 and O-144 in hi-rail speak). I usually just run 4-axle diesels at the club or C40-8's which are short-wheelbase six-axle.

Matt, Congratulations on the Big Boy! That's a very nice locomotive. I was considering the Big Boy but I thought the catalog said 72" radius minimum. I can't believe it can handle 42" minimum radius! That's so cool. I wish I could just pick one up but the train fund is pretty low after the Hudson I just got and I have Atlas F units on order too. Best of luck with it. I second the request for a video. Someday I definitely want either a Big Boy or a Challenger.

Thanks Phil. It will actually squeeze through 36" radius very slowly (remember, about the only difference is scale wheels in the frames) but MTH rates it at 54" radius. the small drivers and short wheelbase let you get away with more. I've wanted one for some time and when they pulled 4014 out of the Fairgrounds that kinda set things in motion.

The big problem with scale wheels isn't the radius, but tolerance for uneven track with the pickup rollers in place (the locomotive can ride up on the center rollers if one of the running rails dips). Steam is actually more tolerant than diesels because the trucks on diesels have a tendency to rotate because of the vertical can motors.

AGHRMatt posted:

Thanks Phil. It will actually squeeze through 36" radius very slowly (remember, about the only difference is scale wheels in the frames) but MTH rates it at 54" radius.

Matt, do you mean to say that the scale wheel version does not have flanges on the drivers in places where the high-rail version does not? I am just curious. I thought all of the high-rail versions only had the outer drivers flanged while the scale wheel version has all of the drivers flanged (where prototypical).

Hudson J1e posted:
AGHRMatt posted:

Thanks Phil. It will actually squeeze through 36" radius very slowly (remember, about the only difference is scale wheels in the frames) but MTH rates it at 54" radius.

Matt, do you mean to say that the scale wheel version does not have flanges on the drivers in places where the high-rail version does not? I am just curious. I thought all of the high-rail versions only had the outer drivers flanged while the scale wheel version has all of the drivers flanged (where prototypical).

All the drivers have flanges. The driver wheelbase is short and the axle swing on the centipede tender is sufficient to get through 36" radius, A couple of years ago, Mike Pitogo posted a photo of his scale-wheeled Big boy on 36" radius around the Christmas tree which gave me the idea of going ahead and getting  a scale-wheeled unit. The radius on the club mains is 48" minimum for most of it except for a hidden curve. By the way, they're all sold out according to the MTH website.2015-12-23 19.31.34

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On the recent MTH 2 rail steam locomotives the drive wheels are all flanged with the much smaller, closer to scale flanges and the tread width is visibly thinner than on their 3 rail counterparts.  No traction tires either.  All the rest of the wheels on the engine and tender also have the much smaller flanges.

The other noticeable difference is that the scale engine front pilot wheels are larger diameter not counting the flange than on the cookie cutter wheels.  IMO this is a big cosmetic improvement as is the fixed pilot on those scale flanged diesels that have a fixed pilot in the real world.      

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Austin Bill posted:

Matt, does the whistle sound like or at least close to recordings of the real thing?

Close but no cigar. MTH is planning to re-record the sounds when 4014 is back on the rails. It does sound good, though. I did hear 4014's whistle when they were moving him, albeit driven by air as opposed to steam. Supposedly the Challenger and the Big Boy were using the same whistle, but I haven't gotten a solid confirmation on that. If so, they would have had access to a correct whistle.

Thanks for the information Matt. I guess I missed that post from Mike Pitogo as I don't remember it.

i am not surprised to hear that it is sold out. A lot of the scale wheel steam engines sell out but they are made in small quantity to begin with so it isn't hard for them to sell out. There was a guy selling a new Big Boy on this very forum recently brand new for less than he paid for it but my train fund is shot. If it wasn't I would bought Clem's Hudson when he had that for sale. I guess it will be a future run for me to buy a Big Boy. 

It isn't often that the scale wheel steam locomotives come up for sale at a fair price in the secondary market. I was lucky to get a SP Daylight on the bay for $715. Scratch that locomotive off the bucket list! 

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This is pure speculation on my part, but I suspect we may see it released again. In my original E-mail to Midge (and by extension Andy) I suggested timing the street release to match the estimated completion time of UP4014's restoration and release it in O Hi-Rail, O Scale-wheeled, H.O., and S (if they have the tooling) simultaneously and let UP sell them through their company store as well. UP's estimate was that it was going to be back on the rails around 2018-2019 in time for the 150th anniversary of the Golden Spike ceremony. FairPlex (LA County Fairgrounds) is saying that UP4014 will be making a return visit to the fairgrounds in 2019. That should be interesting since there isn't a spur to park it on.

It isn't often that the scale wheel steam locomotives come up for sale at a fair price in the secondary market. I was lucky to get a SP Daylight on the bay for $715. Scratch that locomotive off the bucket list!

I note that a couple of well painted USH Daylights have gone begging for under $600.  A very long time ago I paid $750 for the Max Gray version - not nearly as nice - and not painted.

Austin Bill posted:

The other noticeable difference is that the scale engine front pilot wheels are larger diameter not counting the flange than on the cookie cutter wheels.  IMO this is a big cosmetic improvement ....

I couldn't agree more, Bill.  Ron H showed me the light when he posted his Hudson with this mod.  Now, the first mod I do to 3R steam is a set of scale NWSL wheels.  A simple mod that really improves the appearance.

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