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I started working toward a smoother, slower running ‘Streets car today by building and testing two versions of the WBB sedan chassis with a flywheel motor.  All street’s vehicles suffer to some extent from stuttering and even stalling at low speeds: with only three contact wheels (the fourth is a traction tire), two tiny center pickups, and a rather light weight pushing them down on very thin rails, electrical contact is marginal particularly at low voltages/speed.  I measure the quality of running by how slowly a car or truck will run without showing a sign of stutter.  The WBB sedans are better than some others  – they run smoothly at around 45 – 50 mph, a nice country road speed, but I’d like 25 mph or below – to run on downtown streets.

 

Anyway, I used the chassis from a WBB sedan.   I removed the rectifier because: a) it normally sits in the space I’ll need for the flywheel and b) I remove them on all my vehicles so, when run on DC, they will back up.   I also removed the stock motor and gearbox.  The white plastic plate you see in its place is a retainer I made: without it the rear axle's bearings can pop out of the chassis. I alsospent over an hour with a Dremel on the surprisingly stubborn metal, in order to make room for the flywheel.

 

The first photo shows a motor of exactly the same size and shape as stock (same numbers stamped on its side, too), but with a longer shaft coming out the back and a small flywheel.  I’m juse electrical tape to keep in in place but it works very well for that, at least in an experiment.  Maybe it runs better: given that my measurements have to have a small amount of measurement error, and that “smoothly” is a bit of a judgment call, I can’t really say it does.  I timed it at 45 mph (versus 45-50 for the stock) smoothly, so all I can say with confidence is that it doesn’t run any worse.  Either the stock body or a White Rose diecast ’50 Ford body will fit this on this chassis– the only sacrifice being I can no longer fit the “interior” front seat because the flywheel takes that space. 

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The second test vehicle used a motor with about twice the volume of stock - sort of like dropping a 427 in instead of a 305 - with a noticeably larger flywheel.  It ran smoothly at just under a scale 30 mph – something approaching success.    Here, the motor sticks up at an angle so that no car body will fit on the chassis - but that was jsut for the experiment.  to flatten it to where the bodies will fit over it, I have so much metal that grinding with a Dremel is out: I will have to disassemble it including separating the two parts of the adjustable-length chassis, and take a bandsaw with metal cutting blade to the rear half.  Then the motor should nestle nicely into chassis while fitting, hopefully, under a car body.  This test proved the concept. 

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So that brings me to this third picture (below).  This is the motor in the second experiment.  I have just this one.  I want others.  But I have no  idea what this motor came out of or where to get another.  Whatever it is from, it came just like this: with the worm gear and with the flywheel.  Does anyone know where these are used?  I’d actually buy some used locos just to get the motors if necessary, I just don't know where and what to look for. 

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Hallelujah!  I was fairly certain the mystery motor came from a steam loco, and a steam loco with this motor would be rather underpowered wouldn't it?  --> It is a big motor for a 'Streets vehicle, but rather on the small side for a loco.  That meant there was one obvious suspect.  So I opened one of mine up and yes . . . an exact match

 

THIS . . . 

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COMES OUT OF THIS . . .  

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Now that I know what to look for, I can get all I need. 

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Originally Posted by SantaFe158:

I see you found a source for your motor, but the starter set 0-8-0's and possibly the starter set berkshires also use that motor

Thanks - I appreciate the info. I will start looking for used/broken ones of those too - I get all my motors for upgrades that way.  What is good about the O-8-0 is that you can see enough of the motor to tell without disassembly.  Not all RTR 0-8-0s have this motor though, 7795, one of those with the improved valve/driver mechanism detail Lionel mentioned in the set's desription, has a slightly larger motor.

 

Originally Posted by AMCDave:

Man that really looks like a small motor for any O scale loco!!!! Looks more like a HO motor!!! Most of those small can motors, good ones, are Mabuchi out of Japan and now China.

 AMC Dave - You are correct that it is a tiny motor for O.  The Hall class locos (my picture above) get mentioned alot in threads on them for being underpowered.  I have three, bought used, and all run well but do slow and fatique if pulling more than six or seven cars. Its sort of like having, say, an Ambassador like my best buddy Joe did in college.  He had the six (I think it was 232?) instead of even a small V8: the 390 would have made it a fun car but with the six it did its job but it was challenged at times.

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