I have a couple of the N&W GP-35s from the last run. Given the history, I think the NKP version will look sweet MU’d with them. 

Really great dealer specials...  looking forward to more of these...  maybe even a swafford special one day!

Well, after 24 hours, the preorders for the Monon #501 and #502 are really coming in, thanks, and quite a few of the L&N version.... last place is the NKP GP-35 and that surprises me - there were a lot of interest in this in my email but the preorders are falling behind.

If you'd like any of these, expected by year end, please preorder using the links above - no deposit is required.... Thank you.... 

Given it’s the only GP-35 NKP ever owned and the last diesel of any type it purchased, it’s a cool model from a historical perspective. I’m in for one. I hope there are enough orders to make it a go. 

Steve is the D and H Challenger a go?

Two more C420's added - thanks

dk122trains posted:

Steve is the D and H Challenger a go?

Well, I wasn't able to make it happen.... so sorry... 

It would be cool if you could do a Wabash special run - either Lionel or MTH!

hclarke posted:

It would be cool if you could do a Wabash special run - either Lionel or MTH!

 

I am certainly open to that.... I was looking at doing Wabash in an MTH Premier 0-8-0 and chickened out - what would you suggest?.... 

MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

Two more C420's added - thanks

Legacy C-420 Diesel Locomotive "Delaware & Hudson" #413 w/ Bluetooth - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

Thanks for doing these, Steve!  I pre-ordered the blue D&H. 

Would you consider adding one more?  If I'm not mistaken, Lionel hasn't offered a Legacy-version C420 in the Lehigh Valley's as-deliverd "Yellow Jacket" scheme (they did do one years ago with TMCC).  I'd be willing to order two of them if done with different road #'s!

Also...What was the final outcome of your proposed D&H and Lehigh Valley custom runs for the ALCo RS11 in the last Lionel catalog?  Did you reach the minimum order threshold for any of those engines?  Just curious as I placed pre-orders for 3 engines...two different D&H and one L.V.

CNJ #1601 posted:

MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

Two more C420's added - thanks

Legacy C-420 Diesel Locomotive "Delaware & Hudson" #413 w/ Bluetooth - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

Thanks for doing these, Steve!  I pre-ordered the blue D&H. 

Would you consider adding one more?  If I'm not mistaken, Lionel hasn't offered a Legacy-version C420 in the Lehigh Valley's as-deliverd "Yellow Jacket" scheme (they did do one years ago with TMCC).  I'd be willing to order two of them if done with different road #'s!

Also...What was the final outcome of your proposed D&H and Lehigh Valley custom runs for the ALCo RS11 in the last Lionel catalog?  Did you reach the minimum order threshold for any of those engines?  Just curious as I placed pre-orders for 3 engines...two different D&H and one L.V.

Well, we weren't able to do the RS-11's... my fault - I didn't get it worked out with Lionel in time and missed the window... I was thinking about the LV Yellow Jacket myself... I have the first run.... do you know which road numbers were on that unit?.... email me if you have the time - mrmuffin@mrmuffinstrains.com

Anybody else want that LV? Please let me know.... 

Here's an idea. How about a Wabash GP35 to go with Nickel Plate GP35 #910? I believe the Wabash GP35s were the last units delivered in Wabash livery. Maybe do #547, which was the last number in the order? The Wabash and Nickel Plate GP35s would make a really cool early post-merger N&W pairing. 

The NKP engine would be nice if available with two engine numbers. I would take a pair

jim911 posted:

The NKP engine would be nice if available with two engine numbers. I would take a pair

Jim - the NKP C420 or GP35?

that Wabash is a good idea. 

MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

CNJ #1601 posted:

MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

Two more C420's added - thanks

Legacy C-420 Diesel Locomotive "Delaware & Hudson" #413 w/ Bluetooth - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

Thanks for doing these, Steve!  I pre-ordered the blue D&H. 

Would you consider adding one more?  If I'm not mistaken, Lionel hasn't offered a Legacy-version C420 in the Lehigh Valley's as-deliverd "Yellow Jacket" scheme (they did do one years ago with TMCC).  I'd be willing to order two of them if done with different road #'s!

Also...What was the final outcome of your proposed D&H and Lehigh Valley custom runs for the ALCo RS11 in the last Lionel catalog?  Did you reach the minimum order threshold for any of those engines?  Just curious as I placed pre-orders for 3 engines...two different D&H and one L.V.

Well, we weren't able to do the RS-11's... my fault - I didn't get it worked out with Lionel in time and missed the window... I was thinking about the LV Yellow Jacket myself... I have the first run.... do you know which road numbers were on that unit?.... email me if you have the time - mrmuffin@mrmuffinstrains.com

Anybody else want that LV? Please let me know.... 

Thanks for your reply, Steve.  Maybe next time on the custom-run RS-11's.

I sent you an email regarding the C-420 L.V. Yellow Jackets.

I would definitely order the Wabash GP35 unit and a second number for the NKP GP35 unit. Maybe the second NKP road number could be #2910 given that was its number when sold to N&W and then NS. 

     In support for more Lehigh Valley C-420s to be made (particularly more Yellow Jackets), I did some research this morning and compiled this list of what's been made to this date (I think I found everything) : 

1) 18589, #409 (2001, V1)

2) 18592 #410 (Conventional), (2001, V1)   

3) 28218 #407 (Yellow Jacket), (2004, V2)

4) 34748 #404 (2012, V2)

5) 34749 #412 (2012, V2)

6) 34750 #414 (non powered) (2012, V2)

   The #414 still runs in her original paint scheme for the Delaware-Lackawanna RR in Scranton, Pa.  Former LV #405 also operates here but in a D-L corporate paint scheme. 

   The C420 class on the LV was numbered 404 through 415.  Only #s 412 and 413 retained the Yellow Jacket paint scheme from delivery until the start of Conrail in 1976, so #34749 is incorrect as I believe it is red. 

   Mr Muffin, hope this helps. 

PA Anthracite posted:

     In support for more Lehigh Valley C-420s to be made (particularly more Yellow Jackets), I did some research this morning and compiled this list of what's been made to this date (I think I found everything) : 

1) 18589, #409 (2001, V1)

2) 18592 #410 (Conventional), (2001, V1)   

3) 28218 #407 (Yellow Jacket), (2004, V2)

4) 34748 #404 (2012, V2)

5) 34749 #412 (2012, V2)

6) 34750 #414 (non powered) (2012, V2)

   The #414 still runs in her original paint scheme for the Delaware-Lackawanna RR in Scranton, Pa.  Former LV #405 also operates here but in a D-L corporate paint scheme. 

   The C420 class on the LV was numbered 404 through 415.  Only #s 412 and 413 retained the Yellow Jacket paint scheme from delivery until the start of Conrail in 1976, so #34749 is incorrect as I believe it is red. 

   Mr Muffin, hope this helps. 

 

Helps a lot - unless it makes you convulse, we are thinking #415 with the black roof.... I am trying to get up enough courage to do a second one with the grey roof..... 

If anybody wants to preorder one - here's the link for #415.... I only have four orders right now - and I am one of them!

Steve,

I'm not convulsing just yet......  But none of the Lehgih Valley C420's had black roofs.  What appears to be a black roof in the picture you posted is just years of dirt, grime and soot that was never washed off.

Based on some research I've done, The Valley received these locomotives in late 1964 and repainted all but two of their C420's between 1973 and early 1975, as mentioned in a previous reply.  It appears the 415, ALCo serial# 3385-12, was one of the last to be repainted.  I've seen pictures from April 1975 where it looks like it literally just rolled out of the paint shop.

I also came across some info on www.anthraciterailroads.org and www.railfonts.com that lists the yellow as DuPont #5248 and the gray as DuPont #57704.  But there is no mention of what shade of silver was used on the trucks.

I hope this helps and I hope you get enough orders to make this happen.  And I sure would like to see these made with the prototypical gray roof.

Joe

Steve, I agree with Joe R.  None of the Valley’s C-420’s had black painted roofs.  I understand that to some folks a black roof might make the engine look better, but I would prefer it be the prototypical gray.  As you know, I’ve already placed a pre-order for one, and will gladly make it two if you do a second road #...but no black roof, please!

Come on all you Lehigh Valley fans out there, place a pre-order so Steve can make this proposed model a reality!!

I also have placed a preorder and hope it is made. This is my second favorite paint scheme behind the snowbirds.

Steamtown

Better picture, with sunshine. 

The question isn't if other or all units had black roofs, the question is if Road Number 415 had a black roof at any point in it's Yellow Jacket history.  I know it's been mentioned that the roof looks black because of soot and road grime, but most pictures show a crisp sharp line between the black on the roof and the gray sides.  If it was soot, it would be more of a fade/transition between the black soot and the gray.  This site has lots of great photos of LV 415 if you care to click through them:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=123745

Click Here

Stu

     To try to help resolve the issue of the dark gray roof on #415, I pulled out my copy of Lehigh Valley RR Diesel Paint Schemes by Carl Steckler. This book lists at least 53 variations of paint schemes, lettering  or striping over all diesels used by the LV starting with the GE 1/2 tonners in 1922 through the through the PRR owned RS11s. The C420s  were all delivered the same, light gray on the cab and long hood. There are five variations listed as the C420s were repainted into Cornell red and these are a combination of striping and lettering.  The possibility is there that the paint wore down, was covered by soot, etc, or sustained some other issue.  One black and white picture in the book shows #414 with a darker roof braced by leader #411 in repainted red and different model engine behind it.      

Always somethin...

I had the one in that paint scheme and TMCC from ten years or so ago.  That was one sweet engine.  

Well, here's the Lionel art work as of today for these special runs.... Thanks for all of the help with this - the pictures have been terrific.... I am going ahead with the black roof on #415 and a gray roof on #414... whether from soot, dirt or paint - it looks pretty dark.... I appreciate all of the pre-orders - hopefully - they will all sell through..... At this point, I don't have enough orders for the D&H #413 to move ahead.... 

trainbob posted:

I also have placed a preorder and hope it is made. This is my second favorite paint scheme behind the snowbirds.

The snowbird is my favorite too..... 

Steve:

Just ordered a Lehigh Valley 414. Thanks for adding at. Look forward to seeing you at York.

Pat